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January 5, 2015
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Live Tournament – $330 Buy In with $100 Bounty
Blinds: 600-1200-100
Stacks: Mine 55k ( about 55 Bigs) – Villain's 40 (about 33 bigs)
V Info: He is 45 yr old white guy. Playing kind of TAG-ish. This is the 2nd time in the last 40 minutes or so that he has 3 bet me after I raise UTG. And another guy also 3 bet me a bit earlier when i raised UTG and i folded both times.
Relevant hand: The very previous hand V called the big stack pre-flop. Checked behind on flop. Bet turn. And bet big on river with 9 high and was called by his opponent with Ace high. he seemed razzled by this.
My Image: I've been pretty aggressive. Have not been showing down a lot. I have folded to a few 3 bets in the last hour or so after raising UTG.
Pre-Flop: I raise UTG with K
Q
to $2700/ V re-raises to 6100. I call.
Pot= 17600
Flop: Q
Q
J
I check with a plan to GII here. V checks.
Turn: 9 I bet 6100. V raises AI for about 20k on top
Pot is about 50k to call like 20k or so…
So, really I a most curious about playing KQo UTG to a 3 bet or should I have folded early on? Obviously, after flopping trips, there is not a whole lot on my mind but how can I get this in? Do you fold KQo UTG? Do you fold it to a 3 bet after you have folded to previous 3 bets? Would this create a weak image? These type of hands are tough to play in EP and I wonder if I should eliminate them from my game in normal circumstances?
January 28, 2013
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I open and fold to a 3bet. I would call if stacks are deep-ish and it is suited. If you have been getting 3bet alot keep a note of which particular villains are doing it and either 4bet them or tighten your opening range.
You should only be opening weaker hands in EP when the table is soft, playing straight-forward or everyone is playing really tight and allowing opens to get through.
June 24, 2014
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grunch
fold to 3b pre… as played fold now because…
He is 45 yr old white guy. Playing kind of TAG-ish.
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December 6, 2012
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I agree that KQo should generally be a raise-fold UTG, but you guys are ignore the odds Hero is getting, the 3bet is barely a min-raise. I'd call and proceed cautiously, probably not putting my stack in even if I hit top pair.
I agree that being suited makes it a more clear call, but I don't see why deeper stacks would make calling better?
As played I definitely call the shove, and I'd bet a bit larger on the turn so that if Villain does call I can shove river for roughly the same fraction of the pot. With Hero's sizing it will end up being 1/3 pot on the turn and 2/3 on the river, which if anything is backwards.
January 5, 2015
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FOUCAULT SAID:
I agree that KQo should generally be a raise-fold UTG, but you guys are ignore the odds Hero is getting, the 3bet is barely a min-raise. I'd call and proceed cautiously, probably not putting my stack in even if I hit top pair.
This was my plan exactly. I had raised a couple times before and he raised me a touch more and I folded. I was thinking he might be just thinking I raise UTG very light but can lay down easy. So the odds he gave me, combined with the fact he might be tilting, combined with the idea that I did not want the image of “raise this guy and he will lay down” to get amplified any more than it was, combined with the idea that it was a bounty tournament…pushed me to call.
Then I flopped trips and he had AQ and chunked me good :/
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December 6, 2012
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“I did not want the image of “raise this guy and he will lay down” “
Don’t worry about that part. As long as you get your ranges right, any assumptions your opponents make about you can only lead them astray.
January 28, 2013
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@Foucault: I agree that being suited makes it a more clear call, but I don’t see why deeper stacks would make calling better?
Whilst when we are shorter it makes our options more limited and in most cases the hand more easily playable, when we are deeper we have more implied odds and the opportunity to stack our opponents for more chips. Bascially the same premise as to why we would flat a small to medium pocket pair to a 3bet when deeper. For clarity, I did not look at the stack sizes mentioned in the first post (I see 33bb effective now) and only mentioned my default strategy for playing KQ UTG in my first response.
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December 6, 2012
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Well, yes, but you have more reverse implied odds as well. KQ is quite a different hand from a small pair. Small pairs have the potential to make extremely strong hands that want to play big pots. KQ usually makes one pair when it makes anything at all, and that's not a hand that's excited to play a big pot against a 3better.
Think of it this way: deeper stacks can't be better for both players. It matters a bit what sort of hand you have, but for the most part the player in position benefits from deeper stacks and the player out of position does not, especially not with a hand like KQ that very rarely makes anything stronger than a bluff-catcher.
September 14, 2014
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I’d probably fold this pre given your image and the table your on.
would be interesting to know how you would construct your range otf? which range of hands are you c/c , c/r?
January 20, 2014
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wager9 said:
“So, really I a most curious about playing KQo UTG to a 3 bet or should I have folded early on? Obviously, after flopping trips, there is not a whole lot on my mind but how can I get this in? Do you fold KQo UTG? Do you fold it to a 3 bet after you have folded to previous 3 bets? Would this create a weak image? These type of hands are tough to play in EP and I wonder if I should eliminate them from my game in normal circumstances?”
Generally speaking, at a table of players that are unknown to me, I will play KQo and KQs like this in EP. At a 9 handed table I fold KQo UTG. I raise KQs UTG, folding to a 3bet. UTG+1 I raise KQo and fold to a 3bet. UTG+1 I raise KQs and call a 3bet if I will have position after the flop.
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December 6, 2012
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SIGABA said:
wager9 said:
“So, really I a most curious about playing KQo UTG to a 3 bet or should I have folded early on? Obviously, after flopping trips, there is not a whole lot on my mind but how can I get this in? Do you fold KQo UTG? Do you fold it to a 3 bet after you have folded to previous 3 bets? Would this create a weak image? These type of hands are tough to play in EP and I wonder if I should eliminate them from my game in normal circumstances?”
Generally speaking, at a table of players that are unknown to me, I will play KQo and KQs like this in EP. At a 9 handed table I fold KQo UTG. I raise KQs UTG, folding to a 3bet. UTG+1 I raise KQo and fold to a 3bet. UTG+1 I raise KQs and call a 3bet if I will have position after the flop.
The size of the 3b needs to factor into these decisions, as does the presence of antes. I agree with folding KQo UTG 9-handed pre-ante, but with antes out there you need to play more hands, and this is a good candidate.
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