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Do I make mistas here by not C-betting?
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October 28, 2014 - 8:59 am
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Player1 (MP2): t3000 1 BBs – VPIP: 50, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 2
Player2 (CO): t4130 1 BBs – VPIP: 12, PFR: 7, 3B: 8, AF: 1,0, Hands: 58
Player3 (BTN): t3607 1 BBs – VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 5,0, Hands: 151
Player4 (SB): t2465 1 BBs – VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 0,0, Hands: 122
Player5 (BB): t2220 1 BBs – VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 14, AF: 2,5, Hands: 75
Hero (UTG): t1767 1 BBs – VPIP: 25, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2,4, Hands: 210598
Player7 (UTG+1): t5533 1 BBs – VPIP: 52, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 25
Player8 (UTG+2): t2930 1 BBs – VPIP: 57, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 7
Player9 (MP1): t2710 1 BBs – VPIP: 9, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 35

Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is UTG with K of hearts A of hearts
Hero raises to t150, Player7 calls t150, 2 folds, Player1 calls t150, 4 folds

Flop: (t450) K of diamonds 3 of clubs 3 of hearts (3 players)
Hero checks, Player7 bets t250, Player1 folds, Hero calls t250

Turn: (t950) T of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, Player7 bets t250, Hero raises to t1367, Player7 calls t1117

River: (t3684) 7 of diamonds (2 players)

 

Here I thought, I go in the xc-bluffcatch-mode (cause V had a pretty wide pre-flatting range) so I tried to let him bluff at the pot even he is pretty pasive, could I avoid this suckout by c-betting?

 

I did not c-bet cause it was rare that V would have connected with this flop.

 

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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t/t Blinds – 9 players – View hand 2600304
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Player1 (BTN): t2445 1 BBs – VPIP: 13, PFR: 11, 3B: 2, AF: 1,0, Hands: 139
Hero (SB): t3621 1 BBs – VPIP: 25, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2,4, Hands: 210598
Player3 (BB): t3668 1 BBs – VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 5,0, Hands: 57
Player4 (UTG): t3275 1 BBs – VPIP: 33, PFR: 24, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 21
Player5 (UTG+1): t2375 1 BBs – VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 1,0, Hands: 175
Player6 (UTG+2): t3085 1 BBs – VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 5,0, Hands: 57
Player7 (MP1): t3897 1 BBs – VPIP: 25, PFR: 9, 3B: 7, AF: 0,6, Hands: 56
Player8 (MP2): t1671 1 BBs – VPIP: 27, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 10,0, Hands: 56
Player9 (CO): t2820 1 BBs – VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 0,3, Hands: 54

 

Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is SB with K of hearts K of clubs
Player4 raises to t150, 4 folds, Player9 calls t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t725, 1 fold, Player4 calls t575, 1 fold

Flop: (t1600) A of diamonds 9 of clubs Q of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, Player4 checks

Turn: (t1600) 3 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, Player4 bets t500, Hero calls t500

River: (t2600) 2 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, Player4 bets t600, Hero calls t600

 

Here my standard line is I go in the xc-mode if a overcard hits vs my big pair(I dont love it with 2 broadwaycards on the flop).

 

My toughts after V x-back the flop, I put him on Ax, KQ,K10, J10.

Turn he starts betting when FD comes in I thought he had some made hand but not that strong.

River: 5-1 to call so I did call.

 

Could I avoid this by c-betting?

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October 28, 2014 - 9:56 am
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Hand 1: I would Cbet the paired board, on the smaller side (which I'd do with my whiffs too), because you'll get a call from pocket pairs, Kx, perhaps Ace high even or random floats.  Definitely Cbetting here though and getting some money in the pot.

 

Hand 2: What does your c/c range look like?  Do you have any Ax combinations in your c/c range?  If not, it is easy for villains to put pressure on you by firing the turn and river when you check the flop.  The river sizing looks like value but given the odds you're getting and the fact that you're at the top of your c/c range (I suspect) I'd just call and sigh.  If you are Cbet bluffing Ace high flops then you can Cbet this flop for value and expect a call from Qx, for example.

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Thanks for your answers.

 

About your answer hand 2.

 

I play 1$/11$ buy-inns, It took some for me to understand that these guys at those mtt`s rarley put attention on postflop ranges.

 

So at these levels I dont want go in the mistake to balancing/leveling, cause imo they really dont put that mutch attention to that stuff.

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October 28, 2014 - 12:38 pm
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Hand1: I would also cbet little, but its only because I cbet little. I would take the same line with my whole range after I open a pot, especially from early position. I would then check the turn and let him hang himself by bluffing at me. I would call his bet on the turn and check/bomb the river on a safe board to get calls from pocket pairs.

 

Hand2: First of all, that 5x bet pre is too much. Are you trying to close the action or play and extract value with your KK?

I would make it around 400-450 to get both of them to call. Just like I said before, I would cbet this on the small side again just like I do with all my opening range. Then his action will give us information on what to do.

If he folds, thats not a bad result as we are not sure we have the best hand. If he calls a light bet, he may have Q, I am discounting backdoor flush draws if he calls. if he reraises me, the amount will decide my action, but I will most probably call and evaluate.

All in all, I think cbet should be used more for informational reasons than scaring an opponent of the pot. Especially if you open and miss the board, you wanna make sure you do that. But I do it all the time so it conceals my hand to some extent as they cant know if its actually a thin value bet or a cbet. Same applies for the rest of the streets.

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October 29, 2014 - 8:15 pm
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The reason to c-bet in Hand 1 would be because you probably have the best hand and want to build a pot with it, not to prevent a suckout.

Hand 2 is trickier. If you believe that Villain has tendencies you can exploit, ie he will either bluff too much or too little when you take this line, then you can exploit him by either check-calling or check-folding. If facing a bet is going to put you in a tough spot, then you may be better off just betting yourself.

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