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Do I ever get called by worse here?
rivermen123
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September 9, 2010 - 1:57 pm
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This is my first attempt at a hand history post so be nice.  laugh

$5 rebuy last night on UB.  This happens just a couple hands after the rebuy period is over, so any reads I might have on the villain are skewed.  He seems active, but that doesn't mean much.

What do I put him on here?

Do I ever get called by worse?

(The hand history converter isn't working in my browser, sorry!  I tried to make it as readable as I could.)

 

Stage #350256410 Tourney ID 5729283 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 100 – 2010-09-08 20:16:51 (ET)
Table: 8 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 – PROFSTABB1 (9,705 in chips)
Seat 2 – KILLINGB1RD (7,065 in chips)
Seat 3 – RAZE_KING (12,400 in chips)
Seat 4 – WIDESPREAD7 (9,785 in chips)
Seat 5 – STARKZ (6,030 in chips)
Seat 6 – REXCHARGER (7,270 in chips)
Seat 7 – MMADDOGG (4,940 in chips)
Seat 8 – AMIRAIRLINES (15,325 in chips)
Seat 9 – GILFHUNTER (8,355 in chips)
MMADDOGG – Posts small blind 50
AMIRAIRLINES – Posts big blind 100
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROFSTABB1 [Aspade Kspade]
GILFHUNTER – Folds
PROFSTABB1 – Raises 300 to 300
KILLINGB1RD – Calls 300
RAZE_KING – Folds
WIDESPREAD7 – Folds
STARKZ – Folds
REXCHARGER – Folds
MMADDOGG – Folds
AMIRAIRLINES – Calls 200

Preflop: about 100bb deep, I'm opening full 3x.  When I get flatted by the guy to my immediate left, I'm assuming I'll probably be utterly outplayed if I don't smash the flop.  smile The big blind defend doesn't bother me too much.  But I do smash the flop…

*** FLOP *** [Adiamond Kheart 10club]  POT: 950
AMIRAIRLINES – Bets 475
PROFSTABB1 – Raises 1,050 to 1,050
KILLINGB1RD – Folds
AMIRAIRLINES – Calls 575

Flop: Is my raise sizing OK?  I'm not buying his half-pot lead (UB should label the 1/2 pot and pot buttons “little bluff” and “big bluff” IMO), but I don't want him to lay down whatever he's donking with.  It pretty much has to be a gutshot, right?  Maybe a weak ace?  Complete air?

*** TURN *** [Adiamond Kheart 10club] [10heart] POT: 3050
AMIRAIRLINES – Checks
PROFSTABB1 – Bets 1,525
AMIRAIRLINES – Calls 1,525

Turn: exactly half-pot (the “little bluff” button), was designed to look like I'm trying to buy it, and sets up a pot-sized river shove.  I fired it quickly to try to look weak (and hoping I wasn't value owning myself).  I guess I want him to call, but I'm wondering what he's calling me with.  Now I'm assuming he's got a gutter. 

What do I do if I get check-raised here?  There's no way I can fold right?

*** RIVER *** [Adiamond Kheart 10club 10heart] [6club] POT: 6100
AMIRAIRLINES – Checks
PROFSTABB1 – All-In 6,830

River: The river bricks completely.  He's got over 12k behind.  Should I be checking it back, or betting smaller to get looked up by an ace?  On a lot of the videos, the pros talk about building the pot to set up a pot-sized river shove.  Is this a case where the pot-sized river shove isn't correct and I can't possibly be called by worse?

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September 9, 2010 - 2:21 pm
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I would have raised it more when you re raise the flop. I dont think he ever folds and you dont really find out where you are.

The turn is not the nicest card on the board if he has QT, JT , AT etc but I think you have to bet it. The river is a total brick, so when he checks then I think you are ahead. When you jam in 6k tho I dont think he calls with worse. Although in a $5 rebuy I wouldnt be suprised.  I do think that if he had you beat he would bet out 2-3k on river rather than check and risk you checking behind.

 

I think on river you should bet for value like 2.5-3.5k, you would be suprised how often you get looked up by people just wanting to see your hand at $5r on UB.  I think potting size shoving on river is too much and you will never get called by worse unless the guy is on tilt or completely spewy.

 

-larss7on

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September 10, 2010 - 6:13 pm
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raising the flop for value is good, turn im probably just checking for some pot control now. and river depending on my personal read im either just checking for strong showdown but i'd say more often after he's shown so much passive play i'd bet a little value.

 

w/ a little value bet and i can see him calling w/ any King or a weak ace. so there is some value in betting river. but im probably checking the turn 1st. If i check turn and he bets river im probably calling unless it screams value.

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September 12, 2010 - 1:24 pm
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you've built a nice pot to get to this river.  I would have made it a little bit more on the flop as others have said, but I think with the AKTT board people are going to call you a ton with just an ace in their hands thinking it's going to be a chop.  I think there's just a lot of value you get here, so might as well try to extract the most.

 

If he caught a two outer on the turn or happened to flop a straight, god bless him.

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September 13, 2010 - 11:34 am
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I agree with Wein.

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September 13, 2010 - 12:36 pm
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I think you are going to get a lot of value out of this hand because a ton of players are going to assume it is a chop and don't care (probably going to be pissed as hell when they are wrong laugh) Check out Wein's vid on pot building, i think you could have gotten a little more into the prior streets to make the river shove a 50-66% sized shove as opposed to a smallish overbet. Otherwise well played, good value!

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