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Differences between Micro Stakes, Medium Stakes and High Stakes MTT
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February 16, 2012 - 8:33 am
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As some as known, I am still relatively a newbie at poker but have put in some time over the past year playiing mostly every day and I feel this site has gotten me better at spots. The one thing I wanted to ask in the forum is one I haven't seen. I am mostly a micro stakes MTT player and play sometimes in the mid stakes and very rarely hit the 109 games “yet”. I have some adjustments that I make depending on the stakes I play. For instance, I play tighter Pre flop on a micro stakes and play aggro on Post flop so my showdown% is a lot lower. What is your thought on this?

 

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i play tighter in the lower stakes, in general. players arent thinking beyond what they have or maybe what they think you have. bluffing works against weak passive players but hardly against the fish stations that flood the field. deff very ABC at start of mtts but loosen up a tad later obv. I do think one area that is very profitable is isoing the limp fest with your value range. they often call pre and c/f flop or c/c flop to only c/f turn. i also overplay my big hands and get max value, since they will bleed chips your way and will stack off much lighter. as the stakes get higher, deff incorporating 3-4-5bet bluff and value ranges is key while also adjusting to theirs, and also adjusting your flatting range. for instance, lower stakes i almost never flat KK/AA whereas at higher games, i adjust to certain tables and do this. then post flop play is different where you have to adjust to floats, turn bluffs, river CR bluffs, blocker bets, and so on….stuff that you just dont see in lower stakes.

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February 16, 2012 - 5:45 pm
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shutEMdown said:

i play tighter in the lower stakes, in general. players arent thinking beyond what they have or maybe what they think you have. bluffing works against weak passive players but hardly against the fish stations that flood the field. deff very ABC at start of mtts but loosen up a tad later obv. I do think one area that is very profitable is isoing the limp fest with your value range. they often call pre and c/f flop or c/c flop to only c/f turn. i also overplay my big hands and get max value, since they will bleed chips your way and will stack off much lighter. as the stakes get higher, deff incorporating 3-4-5bet bluff and value ranges is key while also adjusting to theirs, and also adjusting your flatting range. for instance, lower stakes i almost never flat KK/AA whereas at higher games, i adjust to certain tables and do this. then post flop play is different where you have to adjust to floats, turn bluffs, river CR bluffs, blocker bets, and so on….stuff that you just dont see in lower stakes.

great answer, said it better than i would have but it echoes my thoughts

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February 16, 2012 - 7:13 pm
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thx benny. there is obv alot more adjusting then what i mentioned. in low stakes, you have soft players that you can just abuse but obv there are those that just wont fold so knowing which one is which is crucial. last night i had a hand where i 4bet this lag fish with JTs, he called. flop: K97, I cbet, he calls. turn: A, I shove, he snaps off with 22 lol. river blanked cuz lag fish own me. maybe he had a soul read on me, its possible. or maybe he is a super comp that can see my hole cards. but its obviously my mistake for thinking he would fold everything but the top of his 4b calling range or that he even is capable of clicking the fold btn. what would have been a great play against the passive fish, it was total spew against him.

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Micro stakes for me relies mostly on pure poker mathematics. When you get it in you better have a monster because you will be called by everything. It is extremely difficult to bluff and in most cases it is -eV to do so. Your going to see all types of play so it is best to stick with pure poker mechanics. As stakes increase the craziness of play decreases and you can start to make moves. For mid stakes, bubble play and after the bubble you can get away with bluffs and semi-bluffs. I have not played high stakes, so will not comment on them. Here is my rule of thumb.

 

 

Low ————————- High = Stakes

Tight————————- Loose = Style

High BB ——————— Low BB = Making moves(bluffs, OOP raises, etc.)

 

 At lower stakes, I am tight and do not make any moves until high blinds.

At high stakes, I loosen up and will make moves earlier.

 

This is just a general roadmap I follow, I adjust my play as needed depending on players, but keeping this in mind helps keep me from doing stupid stuff sometimes.

 

 

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In an attempt at some kind of bankroll management i recently dropped down a few levels from ABI $30-50 to an ABI of between $5-15.

I have not reached a final table in over a month, possibly not even a top 18

A few factors come into play here, firstly I have been racing like a donkey, seriously seriously bad. I have also had hands like the 2/2 snap call example above happen time and time again. Another important factor has been the volume of players per tourney, something i didnt take into consideration at first. Going from playing a $33 tourney with 300-500 runners, to playing a $10 with over 3000 runners is obviously going to have a big effect on my ITM finishes. What really makes me sick is placing in the top 2-3% of these low stakes tourneys and still only taking home a $7 profit for over 4 hours play.

I have kept up with the studying, everyday i read a few hands from the Winning Poker Tourneys one hand at a time  books and every day i watch at least one video from TPE and catch up on the forum posts but 9 times out of 10 i gain information that i have to put to the back of my head because it just doesnt work at the stakes I am rolled for.

I have to make a decision, either stick it out and wait for the big score in the micros to move me up, or take the plunge and roll myself properly for the mid stakes, where i feel my game can fully expand and progress.

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February 17, 2012 - 8:53 am
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Not much to add to the discussion on the original question as it's been covered pretty well. At lower stakes play ABC, go for max value, rarely bluff. One thing I would add, and it might be controversial, is that you can do some exploitable things profitably at lower stakes. For example whereas at higher buyins you would want to balance your 16bb shoving range, at lower stakes I think you can jam mid pairs and minraise premiums. To an observant and thinking player that stinks but to an average player at a lower buy in they may fold 66 to a jam but jam the same hand themselves over your minraise.

 

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I have to make a decision, either stick it out and wait for the big score in the micros to move me up, or take the plunge and roll myself properly for the mid stakes, where i feel my game can fully expand and progress.

Yeah, field sizes are definitely an issue and increase your variance massively. One option you don't seen to have considered though is to play at a smaller site. Obviously field sizes are smaller there and so you can expect much more FT and top 3 finishes even though your ITM % should be about the same. I play on 888 and Stars at the moment and though Stars is better in almost every way, 888 has weaker fields and lower variance.

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February 17, 2012 - 4:55 pm
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I think I play super exploitable at lower stakes. Def agree with above post

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February 18, 2012 - 11:59 am
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Yeah, balance ranges at small and mid stakes is pretty lol useless

No need to level yourself into it. 

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Daryl Jace just wrote an article on this that is going to be up in the next few days..I'll post the link here when it's up (probably tuesday or wednesday)

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February 19, 2012 - 6:39 am
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swhitelex said:

As some as known, I am still relatively a newbie at poker but have put in some time over the past year playiing mostly every day and I feel this site has gotten me better at spots. The one thing I wanted to ask in the forum is one I haven't seen. I am mostly a micro stakes MTT player and play sometimes in the mid stakes and very rarely hit the 109 games “yet”. I have some adjustments that I make depending on the stakes I play. For instance, I play tighter Pre flop on a micro stakes and play aggro on Post flop so my showdown% is a lot lower. What is your thought on this?

 

ive wrote an article on the key differences between low and high stakes and you can find it in the article section, Give it a read and let me know what you think.

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