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Full Tilt Poker $32,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t30/t60 Blinds – 7 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
jb110275 (MP): t2070 34.50 BBs
Kornkid1127 (CO): t2540 42.33 BBs
Leader1848 (BTN): t3910 65.17 BBs
P1NkUn1C0rN (SB): t2180 36.33 BBs
McShipperson (BB): t3755 62.58 BBs
JHenrikK (UTG): t2810 46.83 BBs
Markkram (UTG+1): t3475 57.92 BBs
Pre Flop: (t90) McShipperson is BB with J
A
JHenrikK raises to t150, 2 folds, Kornkid1127 calls t150, 2 folds, McShipperson calls t90
Flop: (t480) A
3 8
(3 players)
McShipperson checks, JHenrikK checks, Kornkid1127 bets t180, McShipperson calls t180, JHenrikK folds
Turn: (t840) 9
(2 players)
McShipperson checks, Kornkid1127 bets t600, McShipperson calls t600
River: (t2040) 8 (2 players)
McShipperson checks, Kornkid1127 bets t1610 all in, McShipperson calls t1610
Final Pot: t5260
Kornkid1127 shows A 9 (two pair, Aces and Nines)
McShipperson mucks J A
Kornkid1127 wins t5260
Looks like you played it fine to me. I mean you can raise the flop if you want but I doubt hes folding. Plus it looks like he wants to throw chips at this pot although hes behind. UL you played it fine.
May 26, 2010
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So when we are trying to hand read and narrow the range we are basically putting him on an ace thats not AK,AQ,AJ,A10 suited or not, right as they would probably 3 bet pre flop? As I read this HH I was thinking that weaker aces are def in his range and really couldent come up with anything else to put him on based on how it was played. Yeah unlucky forsure.
bigdogpckt5s said:
Looks like you played it fine to me. I mean you can raise the flop if you want but I doubt hes folding. Plus it looks like he wants to throw chips at this pot although hes behind. UL you played it fine.
ul on the outcome for sure. im definately raising flop to see where i stand. reads definately impact our decisions here but still, i guess or i would think the biggest question here is….. does ajs falls within our calling range from a utg raiser plus caller? If so then i would assume that we're looking for a monster flop right, top pr with the FD. how profitable are we calling aj oop with just top pr. just my thoughts.
bjizz
by check/calling flop you allow him to continue bluffing on the turn and river or v-betting marginal hands we have beat. I think you def just got unlucky. Just fire up a new one. No sweat here you did fine.
June 22, 2010
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The only thing I would suggest is raising after the flop the bet of 180 looks weak. If you raised he may have let it go thinking that you had a stronger ace. However, as mentioned by others he could have been a calling station regardless. I would have stayed with it as well, JA will usually be good in similiar board textures.
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bigdogpckt5s said:
Looks like you played it fine to me. I mean you can raise the flop if you want but I doubt hes folding. Plus it looks like he wants to throw chips at this pot although hes behind. UL you played it fine.
The call pre is totally std, when the flatter bets the flop, it's still a std call imo. I think a check/raise on the flop is bad considering it's real hard to get value from worse hands.
Wouldn't you guys feel the villain would check the turn often behind with worse aces and for sure the river? In my opinion the only way you are good here, is if the villain is bluffing you, it think you will almost never see a worse valuehand than AJ.
Unless you know for sure that the villain is a huge spewmonkey, I would just fold the hand on the turn. It might be a little weak, but I think calling it of here is to light and not the optimal play.
Curious what you guys think of my analysis..
This is what I was thinking after the hand and the reason I posted it. Preflop- and flop are fine, and I didnt want to raise because Im not getting any more value from less hands. I was right in the fact he had a weaker ace, I just wasnt disciplined enough to fold after a turn bet. then when I called the pot was such that I didnt think I could fold it.
I feel as if you call turn you have to call river but I def. could see folding the turn here. It might be on the tighter side but the only hand I can see him value betting with that we beat is AT. I think the majority of the time he is checking behind on the turn with worse aces. I just dont see many players flatting an utg raise and 3 barreling with air in a $26 tourney enough for this to be profitable in the long term. I think pre and flop is fine but I really dont mind a turn fold here at all.
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July 20, 2010
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ul played fine
I fold turn unless I have a read that villain is a monkey and is betting any of his aces like this. I don't think it's that close either, especially after opening UTG. After he barrels 3 streets after it being 3way on the flop, I highly doubt AJ is ahead.
aaight so flatting from the bb with ajs is std. we were ul to have lost the hand on the turn. but wt happens when this same scenerio plays out, but changing our villians a9 to ak. we still lose. only this time by the dominated ace. how do we not go broke and are we willing to go broke with this hand oop? one of my biggest leaks is, how do u know when to give up on hand??
bjizz
I dont think I have ever posted a hand that has generated this many responses and had so many different opions. This is great.
bjizzle44 said:
aaight so flatting from the bb with ajs is std. we were ul to have lost the hand on the turn. but wt happens when this same scenerio plays out, but changing our villians a9 to ak. we still lose. only this time by the dominated ace. how do we not go broke and are we willing to go broke with this hand oop? one of my biggest leaks is, how do u know when to give up on hand??
bjizz
I think handreading comes with experience. When a villain seems rather solid, you can't expect him/her to valuebet in this spot with worse hands on all three streets (would you do that yourself?). I would say to myself that the chances are really slim villain is valuebetting worse, so you can only call if you have some solid read that the villain is some monkey that really likes to get his/her chips in with anything.
I often play a marginal toppair hand in a multiway hand rather passive and would often give it up when someone shows a lot of agression.
Why not take a totally different line by checking the flop with the intent of reraising a bet, representing a set of 8 or A8. You might get a check/check and see the turn for free, if he bets and you reraise you might actually get a better A to slow down and check it down for its showdown value. If he comes back over your reraise just fold and you are still in good position with 50ish bb.
July 3, 2010
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billbam said:
Why not take a totally different line by checking the flop with the intent of reraising a bet, representing a set of 8 or A8. You might get a check/check and see the turn for free, if he bets and you reraise you might actually get a better A to slow down and check it down for its showdown value. If he comes back over your reraise just fold and you are still in good position with 50ish bb.
Is your plan to bet/get it in on any turn if he flats the check/raise? Because that's what AK and AQ will do a lot and so will a set. We can make worse Aces fold some times but this line seems spewy.
If we c/r to like 540 and get called the pot is now about 1350 on the Turn and he's left with appx. 1800.
FkCoolers said:
Is your plan to bet/get it in on any turn if he flats the check/raise? Because that's what AK and AQ will do a lot and so will a set. We can make worse Aces fold some times but this line seems spewy.
If we c/r to like 540 and get called the pot is now about 1350 on the Turn and he's left with appx. 1800.
Not at all…I think a C/R amount of $420-450 (no need to go as high as $540) gives us a ton of information. If by your senario he is pushing AK or AQ after we check the turn then he is telling us he has us beat and is an easy fold without damaging our stack much. On the other hand if he checks back we get to see the river and can then make a decision at that time where we stand.
July 3, 2010
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If we c/r to 420 and he flats the pot size is 1120 on the Turn and his stack will be about 1900 so he won't shove if we check. He'll value bet.
So are you saying you'd check raise the flop and then check call or check fold the turn? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me…
If we reraise for the 420 we are 9.5 bb in with 53 bb left. I have no problem seeing if the turn improves us, if not I have no problem check folding to an obvious better hand. We are 53 bb deep and still have plenty of play left in the T. If we had just called the flop bet we have no info on his hand and cannot make any judgement on whether we are ahead or behind.
July 3, 2010
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I guess. You could be right… I just hate sticking in raises and folding on later streets. And I don't like to raise “for information”. His turn check or bet sizing is going to tell me enough since I have a solid cash game background.
I feel like we can properly evaluate the turn without a raise and should only be raising here OOP if we wish to barrel turn and river to extract value from weaker hands.
I'd prefer to keep the pot as small as possible early and with a single pair hand but that could be a leak of mine and too much cash game mentality…
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