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Did I play this JJ poorly?
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September 19, 2010 - 9:13 am
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Villian was running around 13/6 after about 36 hands and had made an exact 4x preflop raise utg earlier with 55 so I know they are capable of raising small pocket pairs in early position.  I didn't reraise for a couple of reasons, the people left to act behind, and the fact that villian is utg raising and if I get 4 bet I'm folding and I don't get to see a flop or possibly hit a set.  When this flop came out and they led I wanted to find out right then and there if I was up against AKs, AQs, QQ, KK, AA or maybe even a set so I decided to click it back.  I suppose I could have called the bet but then it's a guessing game and if a Q, K or A hits they can represent and I turn into a calling station or have to fold without ever putting them to the test.  I mean if they have AQs or AKs I have a lot of outs to dodge and I think I could find a better spot to get all my chips in.  Obviously QQ, KK, and AA or any set I'm crushed and I just felt like a lesser non-set pp would have just called or folded to my flop raise.  Looking back I don't like the min raise, I honestly never really do it, I just felt like in the moment any amount including the min raise was going to get me the info I needed, unless the min raise just pissed them off lol.  Anyways, just looking for feedback on my line, thanks.

 

Full Tilt Poker $10,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t250/t500 Blinds + t50 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

lopesck (BTN): BB = 30.9, t15441
PurfectThreat (SB): BB = 37.1, t18543
jerwil (BB): BB = 39.5, t19762
jomasira (UTG): BB = 4.9, t2460
popotito (UTG+1): BB = 69.0, t34507
michaelangelo10 (UTG+2): BB = 32.3, t16165
slowTAOn (MP1): BB = 60.8, t30385
JOHNNYLAKERS (MP2): BB = 57.6, t28775
FT PLAYER04 (CO): BB = 39.4, t19708

Pre Flop: (t1200) slowTAOn is MP1 with J of spades J of hearts
1 fold, popotito raises to t2010, 1 fold, slowTAOn calls t2010, 5 folds

Flop: (t5220) 4 of hearts 9 of spades 5 of spades (2 players)
popotito bets t2010, slowTAOn raises to t4020, popotito raises to t20010, slowTAOn folds

Final Pot: t13260
popotito wins t13260

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September 19, 2010 - 9:47 am
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if hes a fish and you know hes doing stupid shit 4xing then i think flatting pre is fine in position since Js prolly arnt in good shape vs his 4bet range.

when the flop comes 945 i dont really think raise folding is a good option for the same reasons you didnt three bet pre hes just gonna get it in with QQ+ Axs+ and fold worse hands.

I would definatley just flat the flop and see a turn card and reavulate.

if he barrels turn you can call one more time maybe but if he barrels down i would definatley just fold river,maybe even turn depending on sizing.

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September 20, 2010 - 9:23 am
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You could have flatted flop  IP but I dont know that I like it because if A,K,Q comes he keeps barreling and we arent sure where we are in the hand. I would raise the flop bet but I would have raised it more…probably around 5500.  If he calls or comes over the top I would fold.  However in your hand when you click back he makes a huge raise committing himself to the pot, he should have just shoved either way I think we can easily fold now.

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September 20, 2010 - 8:04 pm
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poker is tough. but i think we call IP evaluate turn as well. but wt makes these situation even worse is wt if the turn and river are none threatening. are we prepared to call two more streets?

 

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looks to me like hes on ahand like AKss and has the math to make the jam if this being the case you are pretty close to a 59-41 dog so folding is not bad. i just dont see villain playing AA or KK like this or a set as they would prolly flat call and and hope to check raise the turn. 10 10 and 99 could be a possibility but i dont think its worth the risk at this point with your stack. see alot of peolpe bust tourneys in this spot

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ttwist said:

looks to me like hes on ahand like AKss and has the math to make the jam if this being the case you are pretty close to a 59-41 dog so folding is not bad. i just dont see villain playing AA or KK like this or a set as they would prolly flat call and and hope to check raise the turn. 10 10 and 99 could be a possibility but i dont think its worth the risk at this point with your stack. see alot of peolpe bust tourneys in this spot


 

sorry def. not 99  as there is 1 on the flop

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