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did i get too impatient or is this a shove with my stack
bjizzle44
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June 4, 2010 - 5:42 pm
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had a nice stack but got short as I always seem to do. But n e way is this the correct shove or did I get too impatient. table had gotten pretty tight. I was able to shove atleast 4 times b4 I finally got action. wrong hand to shove through entire table i’m thinking

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, 4.4 Tournament, 150/300 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) – Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t11173)
BB (t9423)
Hero (UTG) (t2475)
UTG+1 (t17969)
MP1 (t8411)
MP2 (t5590)
MP3 (t1706)
CO (t9452)
Button (t7810)

Hero’s M: 3.67

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J
Hero bets t2450 (All-In), 3 folds, MP3 calls t1681 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t2300, 1 fold

Flop: (t7106) 10, 8, 5 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t7106) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t7106) 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t7106

Hagbard Celine
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June 4, 2010 - 10:42 pm
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shove is perfectly fine. shove KTs as well.

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June 5, 2010 - 1:02 pm
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I shove here to,  play by the bigdogs rule of 15-20 bb. 

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June 5, 2010 - 10:18 pm
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Hagbard Celine said:

shove is perfectly fine. shove KTs as well.


What do you expect there calling ranges to be ?

I didn’t do deep math yet but if I view there calling ranges (obv we get protection) of 55+,A2s+,KJs+,QJs,A8o+,KQo.
KTs would be unprofitable. KJs is marginally cEV (increase of 0.1M) but I would shove here given the fact we hit the blinds the next round and we don’t have any bubble factors/pay jumps to consider.

 

Shoving is fine here, as well as any pocket pair, A9o+, A8s+ and off course KJs+

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June 6, 2010 - 12:15 am
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Fist pump and get it in.

Hagbard Celine
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June 6, 2010 - 12:54 pm
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highly doubt “their” calling ranges include A2s, QJs, A8o, etc. maybe there’s one person at the table capable of calling some of those hands, but to assume they are in the calling ranges of the table in general is wrong imo.

 

sure jamming KJs is going to be marginally +cEV here, but that’s more EV than folding!

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June 6, 2010 - 1:26 pm
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I agree there calling range is to wide.. 88+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs would be way more reasonable. 

Against this range we can go way wider to be honest when shoving here UTG. A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T6s+ etc. Even 34s would be a profitable shove. 

It’s cool to see the impact of your hands being suited adds so much value towards your shoving range. For example, A9o is a fold, whereas Q4s is a +cEV shove.

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June 6, 2010 - 1:36 pm
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EV of a fold is always 0.. right>?

Hagbard Celine
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yeah EV of a fold is always 0, no matter how much you “have invested” in teh pot

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