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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 691954029
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 691954029 *****
$200/$400 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #63351992 $2.70 + $0.30 – Table #8 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: paokara1963 ( $11,826 )
Seat 2: Nuostabus ( $31,538 )
Seat 3: edutzu888 ( $17,020 )
Seat 4: phil5838 ( $8,279 )
Seat 5: RaLLL23 ( $6,408 )
Seat 6: turkrocks ( $25,807 )
Seat 7: adrianchr ( $4,992 )
Seat 9: london_ace ( $8,345 )
Seat 10: wilsonfreita ( $9,860 )
adrianchr posts ante [$50]
RaLLL23 posts ante [$50]
turkrocks posts ante [$50]
Nuostabus posts ante [$50]
edutzu888 posts ante [$50]
wilsonfreita posts ante [$50]
phil5838 posts ante [$50]
paokara1963 posts ante [$50]
london_ace posts ante [$50]
adrianchr posts small blind [$200]
london_ace posts big blind [$400]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 4
, 2 ]
wilsonfreita folds
paokara1963 folds
Nuostabus folds
edutzu888 folds
phil5838 raises [$800]
RaLLL23 folds
turkrocks folds
adrianchr folds
london_ace calls [$400]
** Dealing flop ** [ A, 6
, K ]
london_ace checks
phil5838 checks
** Dealing turn ** [ 8 ]
london_ace checks
phil5838 bets [$400]
london_ace raises [$1,000]
phil5838 calls [$600]
** Dealing river ** [ 8
]
london_ace bets [$6,495]
phil5838 calls [$6,429]
Hey
new to the table so no reads.
I thought it was a good spot to bluff river, v bets so small on the turn , so i pretty much discounted strong hands from their range, likely they have a hand that has some sort of showdown value like 99/TT maybe JT .I actually think a weaker ax would be bet on the turn for value so again i guess the ax is unlikely , but i obv cant fully discount those hands. bad players may bet small with top pair bad kicker like this.
thoughts on my bluff? just think it looks pretty weak that i raise turn and check give up river.
He checked flop so how do you know he will bet turn for you to check/raise? You pick up your draw and equity on turn, why not make a lead bet? If you led you are essentially trying to take it down or build a pot if you hit your draw.
As you played it, what do you think your overbet is representing on the river? It does not seem believable to me.
September 14, 2014
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yeah you're right i should had led on the turn , if called i'd prolly have to give up unless the river is a spade , which i may then be able to represent a flush or if a straight comes on a river for instance a ten, queen or jack are all good cards for hero to bluff on.
im not being result oriented but this is one of the reasons why i don't like calling wide from the BB with weak hands , being oop and playing with such a marginal hand gets you in trouble. Only thing is we are getting good odds to call and sometimes we may even be more tempted to call because we feel that we can outplay our opponents even if that means being OOP , like for instance if you know they are a weak player or you have really good post flop skills that'll be a bonus for you to get involved in the hand.
but yeah i just think i played my hand really bad here and this line that i've taken just does not make much sense.
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December 6, 2012
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
this is one of the reasons why i don't like calling wide from the BB with weak hands , being oop and playing with such a marginal hand gets you in trouble.
Seems to me you would have played a hand like Qh 9h the same way, with the same results. It's true that if you make mistakes postflop, you can end up giving away the equity that you are salvaging by not folding your weak hands pre-flop when you are getting good odds. But you don't HAVE to do anything especially tricky. Calling doesn't oblige you to run big bluffs, it just gives you that opportunity. Mostly you will check-call when you flop some equity and check-fold when you don't.
In this case, I agree that betting the turn would be much better than check-raising. I don't agree that you'd have to give up on non-spade rives, although you're right that spades are especially good cards to bluff.
Your opponent has represented a weak or marginal hand by checking the flop, and you have a good draw, so you should definitely bluff the turn. I wouldn't advise check-raising the turn with monster hands, so don't do it with bluffs either. It's that simple: he showed weakness, you have a draw, so you bet.
September 14, 2014
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thanks andrew, I do have 1 question though , you say that since he’s checked back flop it’s rather unlikely he has a strong hand. Most of the time that’s true espically on a flop that is wet and that giving me a free card can improve my hand. The thing is though v may decide to slow play here with hands like AK/66/KK since we are really shallow , i remember in one of your series , the slow playing series i think u said something like you should be more inclined to slow play when stacks are on the shallow side because stacks are likely to go in anyway even if that means betting 1 or 2 streets…do u think we should be more cautious in this sense? or do u believe that for most part even when stacks are shallow and v checks back otf it indicates more weakness rather then strength…
hope this makes sense..
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December 6, 2012
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Good question. The thing is that you don't have to be sure that he would have bet the flop to make bluffing correct. Because you aren't risking that much relative to the pot AND you have equity when called, you can show a profit even if you do occasionally – even often – get called either by monsters or by marginal bluff-catchers. He just doesn't need to fold that often to make a turn bet profitable.
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