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Delayed cbet holding equity in 3bet pot

Richard

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January 5, 2018 - 10:03 am

early on in tournament starting stack is 10k, no reads on villain we only have 6 hands on him but he’s played 4 of those. On the flop I’m fine planning to check fold, I could stab flop witha percieved rane advantage but it seems pretty thin to me, I’d probably rather stab my no equity hands.

turn is where I’d like a quick comment, I’m not going to check call turn with a hand this valnurable and if I bet my no equity hands on the flop my turn range is something like 66-KK that missed, KJ-KQ if I 3bet that for some reason against a villain I percieve as super loose, AA and the occasional rare A5s and A10 that I decided to check. Out of those it doesn’t get much worse than what I’m holding, I’d bet A10, A5, KK and QQ for value, probably check call Jx and maybe maybe 1010. does this mean it’s fine stabbing what I percieve to be the bottom of my range for protection even if I don’t have a value target since it seems so easy to bluff me? Or do you still like the check fold on the turn?

Obviously it’s not a huge deal either way this early on but I imagine this exact spot is something I could easily get into later on as well vs loose villains (still can’t get the instant hand history converter to work, it gives me kind of a spinning icon as if it’s working, then it stops working, then nothing happens)

iPoker – 40/80 NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 127.87 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 130.94 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 152)
MP+1: 78.44 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 3)
CO: 91.1 BB (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 98)
BTN: 161.31 BB (VPIP: 22.39, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 11.24, Hands: 338)
SB: 132.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 122.35 BB
UTG: 143.85 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

8 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has 8 heart 8 spade

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, MP+1 calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.3 BB, 2 players) A spade J club 5 diamond
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Turn: (15.3 BB, 2 players) 2 club
Hero bets 6 BB, fold

Hero mucks 8 heart 8 spade (One Pair, Eights)

Hero wins 15.3 BB

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January 5, 2018 - 10:44 am

A lot of close decisions here. I think it doesn’t matter much not only because it’s early in the tournament but because the EV is genuinely close between several decisions at multiple points. Preflop I would typically call but with your inclination to think V is loose, I like the raise. Flop check is fine/good but betting small (as you do on turn) is also an option. The weaker your opponent, the stronger the case for checking back, as you’ll generally face less pressure on the turn and therefore win more often when you do actually have the best hand.

Likewise turn is close. The weaker the opponent, the better the bet is, because the risk of betting into a better hand is smaller. I would actually bet even a touch less than you did, maybe like 4 or 5bb. The goal really is just to pick up the pot when he has nothing, right?

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January 5, 2018 - 3:10 pm

I like the small bet idea versus a weaker opponent. I have found the small check raise vs small OOP bets to be a common response in the stakes I play by loose aggressive players. How what would our strategy look like versus opponents that min check raise small bets IP. Do we avoid 3betting pre with hands like 88s to not get ourselves in these spots? Do we check call the small check raise OOP on the turn with some hands planning to fold river? Do we reraise their small check raise with air or monkey shove hands with equity and punish them since they have a lot bluffs?

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January 5, 2018 - 4:03 pm

Foucault said
A lot of close decisions here. I think it doesn’t matter much not only because it’s early in the tournament but because the EV is genuinely close between several decisions at multiple points. Preflop I would typically call but with your inclination to think V is loose, I like the raise. Flop check is fine/good but betting small (as you do on turn) is also an option. The weaker your opponent, the stronger the case for checking back, as you’ll generally face less pressure on the turn and therefore win more often when you do actually have the best hand.

Likewise turn is close. The weaker the opponent, the better the bet is, because the risk of betting into a better hand is smaller. I would actually bet even a touch less than you did, maybe like 4 or 5bb. The goal really is just to pick up the pot when he has nothing, right?

thank you for a well put response, I have one question tho.

You say that we could get away with betting smaller since we’re basically targetting air, is this something you do as an exploit? I mean I can’t think of any value hands I go sub 30% pot with on the turn, I probably go around 40% with A10 and even KK QQ since I feel I can get that value. Is it bad to feel that I constantly want to balance my sizings and hide my bets behind value hands (bet the same as some part of my value range) vs weak opponents when it probably doesn’t matter? I just can’t help but to feel these sizings are hard to balance

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