July 24, 2018
I had a spot in a $400 Wynn on Sunday. I went through the math, so I thought I’d share the results here:
I raise A8s to 2300 at 1KBB. Two callers from players who are never trapping (let’s assume I am right about this for the math, but pretty sure they were never flatting big hands.)
December 30, 2015
What position are you in? I think that greatly affects villain’s range. If you are on the button he should probably be shoving almost any Ax, a lot of suited Ks, any pair, JTs+…?
I might consider calling it off against the player you describe if I’m on the button, but even then I think I value my stack to much to call and wait for a more clear spot. Sorry if this comes off as a lazy but answer it seems thin and losing sacrifices a lot of playability of your stack. What hands do you want to see villian have here? Even KQ isn’t great, exactly A2-A7 I guess.
Another question: Did you see the BB’s stack before you raised? Did you have a plan if he shoved? It might be a reason to not open A8s for middle position for example. Thoughts?
July 24, 2018
Couldn’t be the button since there were 2 callers in between. I was UTG +1. This makes my range stronger which of course makes his range stronger.
I was aware of his stack. I was clearly going to fold if it was just my own money in there. The extra 4.6 BB got me to shove, plus that widened his range, too.
December 30, 2015
First, let me say I would not open this hand from UTG+1 in most situations. Maybe a passive deep table…? If there is any aggression or re-shove possible, then this seems like throwing away chips to me. I think the rest of this post is me trying to prove that this is not an open.
I missed the callers, and knowing your position brings up some more points:
- Is villain position-aware or is he “making a play because there is dead money”. In other words, are you leveling past them with this thinking?
- If villain is good, then what is your image to villain? A squeeze can be light if the player is good and thinks you are opening too wide (like you are), since if it gets through you, it probably gets through the others. Villain still needs to have a range that makes sense and since you are calling here, you have to have an advantage over it. Note I left off my own range-construction on purpose here.
- Is the first caller also in early position? That has as much bearing since most people will not 3-bet UTG+1 from UTG+2 with a very wide range. So, again, if villain is good, and both the original open and the first caller are in EP, then the shove should be an even tighter range.
I guess what I’m saying is that there are a ton of factors to first figure out the GTO move (I’m still a beginner here, but learning). If we assuming we are somewhat indifferent from a theory perspective then there is a lot going on at the table to help deviate from that, and that information is something only you have at the table, so hard to comment on. That said…
My guess is 1. that we are not indifferent, 2. this is not an open, and 3. this is not a call. …but If anyone can jump in here and help me re-word or re-work any of this in to more concrete game theory terms I would appreciate the learning opportunity.
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