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I played this hand a little while ago, and I’d like to know your thoughts on what you do here. I’ll post part of the hand now, and part of it later after some discussion.
Limit – Level XIX (600/1200) – 2010/06/24 17:29:26 ET
Table ‘284561437 9’ 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pet2280 (42350 in chips)
Seat 3: Ufba (13366 in chips)
Seat 4: master-dy (624 in chips)
Seat 5: OneM24 (90141 in chips)
Seat 6: BREAKNurBANK (85804 in chips)
Seat 7: CHILLAX 8 (29052 in chips)
Seat 8: pipokerQQ (36542 in chips)
Seat 9: grahamzoo (45733 in chips)
pet2280: posts the ante 150
Ufba: posts the ante 150
master-dy: posts the ante 150
OneM24: posts the ante 150
BREAKNurBANK: posts the ante 150
CHILLAX 8: posts the ante 150
pipokerQQ: posts the ante 150
grahamzoo: posts the ante 150
CHILLAX 8: posts small blind 600
pipokerQQ: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OneM24 [Qc Ad]
OneM24 said, “nh”
BREAKNurBANK said, “wow i got lcky there”
grahamzoo: folds
BREAKNurBANK said, “thx”
pet2280: folds
Ufba: folds
master-dy: folds
OneM24: raises 1391 to 2591
BREAKNurBANK: raises 2209 to 4800
CHILLAX 8: calls 4200
I opened hijack, got 3 bet by cutoff and flatted by button. What do you do? Keep in mind the stack sizes. 600/1200. I have 90k, cutoff has 85k, button flatted with 28k starting. What do you do?
BREAK has shown up with some ugly hands, when he’s called bad. As in putting 30 blinds in with ATss preflop. Not much read on CHILLAX.
you can 4-bet fold vs Breaknurbank with stacks that large.
You can also just flat and see what develops, since chillax will check on most flops and you can check behind and see how both players act before it comes back to you on the flop.
Ok, so I 4 bet here. What do you think about my 4 bet size, and what happens after?
pipokerQQ: folds
OneM24: raises 7199 to 11999
BREAKNurBANK: calls 7199
BayernPro is connected
CHILLAX 8: raises 16903 to 28902 and is all-in
1. I got 3bet/flatted by Break. I 4bet, he flats with chillax behind him. What range am I putting him on? I’m putting him on 99, TT, JJ MAYBE QQ, and AK/AQ.
vs. that range, can I shove 90k here and get him to fold everything other than AA,KK and QQ? Maybe he calls AK too, but I am not sure.
2. I think we are racing against chillax who has 77-JJ and ATs+ IMO. I just think I have him crushed, or it’s a race.
3. Given the above, can I iso shove here? Or should I muck? I can’t flat, that’s just horrible I think.
It depends on the player, but most people won’t flat here with AA or KK because you made your 4-bet so small. I would def make it bigger with two people in the hand, as you are inducing breaknurbank to call and have position on you after the flop with your small sizing. I probably make it closer to 15k with two people left in the hand.
As for it being played, I think you are being forced to isolate here because breakn should have a hand he can fold in most situations.
Ok, I agree with me having to iso because Breakurbank should have a hand he can fold mroe often than not. So here’s what happens:
OneM24: raises 61089 to 89991 and is all-in
BREAKNurBANK: calls 73655 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4337) returned to OneM24
*** FLOP *** [Td Qd 9c]
*** TURN *** [Td Qd 9c] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Td Qd 9c 6d] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OneM24: shows [Qc Ad] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
BREAKNurBANK: shows [Kc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
Oh, I cut that off, but chillax showed up with AJ off suit.
If I make my 4 bet a bit bigger here and Break shoves me, I can fold. I think I said this in the chat as well. He told me he thought I had AA, so he flatted me after I 4 bet, because he couldn’t fold KK. In my mind that’s horrible, and if you know you are never folding, flatting the 4 bet is just bad IMO. If I was him, I’d have 5 bet shoved it right there. Since that’s what I was thinking, and I would 5 bet shove his hand if it were me, I didn’t think he had one of the top 4 hands, and he could fold it. Thoughts?
Don’t know why the text is so small after. Sorry.
I would flat preflop unless the original 3better and the flatter were huge monkeys. You’re going to have to fold your hand if the original 3better 5bets you and you’re pretty much committed to the other guy without knowing if you’re ahead
I understand I’m committed to the guy who flatted the 3 bet, if I decide to 4bet and the original 3better folds. That’s fine with me, because I seriously doubt I can’t beat/race against the range of hands the monkey on the button flatted the 3 better with. The way the hand ended up playing out is ridiculous though. When I 4bet and get flatted, the 3rd guy shoves with absolutely no FE. I can’t ever flat here, because that’s uber terrible…I think. I think I have to iso shove at this point, because what is the original 3 better flatting my 4 bet with? Why wouldn’t he just go ahead and 5bet shove his stack with AA,KK,QQ,AK? There’s already 25k in the pot at this point.
I guess he could be thinking that if he flatted my 4 bet with a monster, he could get another bet out of me on the flop and just get it in there. I still don’t like it with the guy behind him though. I’m doing the same thing here with Pairs over 99 and AK. I think I muck AJ minus, and flat 99 minus. Is this right?
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