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deep in superturbo - flopped straight - best line?
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May 1, 2011 - 9:54 am
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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600.00/t1200.00 Blinds – 5 players – View hand 1294870
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$82 Hyper-turbo MTT

dinnepin (SB): t31718.00 26.43 BBs
Hero (BB): t26459.00 22.05 BBs
veromar69 (UTG): t36350.00 30.29 BBs
anstand67 (CO): t545.00 0.45 BBs
Didak04 (BTN): t20793.00 17.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is BB with A of hearts 5 of spades
veromar69 raises to t2400, anstand67 calls t545 all in, 1 fold, dinnepin calls t1800, Hero calls t1200

Flop: (t7745) 3 of clubs 2 of clubs 4 of clubs (4 players – 1 is all in)
dinnepin checks

 

So the reason i'm even in this tourney is i accumulated 4 step 3 tickets and was multi tabling 18man 45 mans and the $5 hyper turbo so i was in the right frame of mind and running good.

This is deep, very close to ITM after 111 runners started

Villain is new to my table

I am getting odds of about 5.5:1 pre

Then this flop hits and im wondering what line would be best here?

Check raise? Bet call? Bet Bet if turn blanks? What if he calls the flop bet and a club turns? straight jam it in? etc etc.

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 Hard decision mate, personally I hate calling raises especially when they have with A2 to A10 as there is a good chance if you hit tha A all your chips could end up in the middle against a better kicker. But as you say you ae getting a really good price and i also couldn't resist in that spot, and also i'd imagine these hyper turbos are hyper aggresive anyway.

Personally p i'd be to scared to check raise on that flop just incase all checked after me and a club came. A half pot to 3/4 pot proably gets a call or a rr allin with someone with a draw, overpair or trips I would imagine in a hyper turbo, depending on your table image,( tho I have never played one I would imagine they are very agressive games).

 I also hate jamming into a possible made flush, but to be honest i'd proably do it here just to make shure I didn't give a free card to the possible draws, and also the allin move would proably get a call of an overpair, trips or 2 pair, who dosn't belive anyone would do this with a made flush.

 I could be completly wrong here but it's a difficult one, and there it's proably one of these situations where theres no wrong or rite answer without alot of info on the other players.

 I look forward to seeing some proper answers to this one 🙂

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Your in very nice shape w 20+ bbs with about, Im assuming, 15 left and calling fr the bb w A5o just bec your getting great odds is just asking for trouble.

 Before Black Friday I was playing the super t mtts on FT every day – freakin really miss them.

Here, u flopped a straight and and your still in a horrible spot.  If u bet, I think u have to be prepared to call a shove bec your hand will prob be best at the time.  

If u check, and there's heavy duty action after u like a bet and a jam, do u fold? Idk. I would just fold pre and avoid a gross spot like this and put my stack to better use. 

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the first thing to note is that your hand is very vulnerable to any hand that wants to play beyond the flop with you/that you get value from. As in, If you lead out your never a big favourite over any hand that continues because everything but flush draw should fold.

 

That said i think check/ship is a viable option to give him a chance to barrel with his air. But i would have to be prepared to check/fold when he checks back and another club comes on the turn. This way if he does check it back on the flop you may bet some value on the turn when it comes non-club because he may think your weak and just stabbing.

 

Raise/calling works too but like i said your never a big favourite when getting played back at by draws, missing out on the value from his air cbet.

 

dont think its a big mistake either way, but you are definatley looking to get all the money in here.

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I’m either folding or squeeze jamming pre-flop here.

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completely understand that i'm vulnerable pre

The 2 reasons i called;

– Great odds

– Most of the time in multi way pots with someone already all in it seems to get to showdown more often (b/c betting people off hands with air is a waste of time) accept that there is a lot of dead money here though.

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I'd rather call with hands that flop well. A5o doesn't and the fact there is a raise and a call aside from the all-in means you could already be dominated. 

I'd much rather overcall a hand like 86s which flops much better and brings much easier postflop decisions. 

With a UTG open from a new villain I think my personal preference in order of best to worst is: folding > jamming > calling

 

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yeah i guess i should have followed my own philosophy for these godam things and ALWAYS make my decision pre

unless stacks have become very deep, which is not often, these spots are best avoided by folding or jamming pre

 

anyway – i ended up leading out for just over half pot and got called by the initial raiser only

turn was 5c, check check

river 7h check check

 

Villain has Th9c

LMAO – nh sir

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G0liath said:

the first thing to note is that your hand is very vulnerable to any hand that wants to play beyond the flop with you/that you get value from. As in, If you lead out your never a big favourite over any hand that continues because everything but flush draw should fold.

 

That said i think check/ship is a viable option to give him a chance to barrel with his air. But i would have to be prepared to check/fold when he checks back and another club comes on the turn. This way if he does check it back on the flop you may bet some value on the turn when it comes non-club because he may think your weak and just stabbing.

 

Raise/calling works too but like i said your never a big favourite when getting played back at by draws, missing out on the value from his air cbet.

 

dont think its a big mistake either way, but you are definatley looking to get all the money in here.

+1 here. Agree with G0liath.

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