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May 1, 2016
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Hi guys,
I don’t post that much but thought I’d share this hand from the LAPT. It’s from a $400 side event. The event had two Day 1 flights, both in one day. Starting stack was 10k, thirty minute levels. We played all the way to the 800/1600 level in each flight before stopping. I ended Day1A as one of the chip leaders with 120k thanks to some timely flopped sets. I arrived for the final day 2 to see the numbers. 51 combined players were leftover from the two starting flights with 220 total combined entrants. 31 got paid, with a mincash at $680 and $16,500 for first place. I played solid steady poker in day 2, and with two tables left won a huge flip AQo against JJ, followed by AKs holding against AQs for the biggest pot of the tournament.
With twelve players left I was the chip leader with 400k. There was 2.2 million in play. On to the hand in question.
This is the first hand back from break. I have been playing with V all day long, and know a decent amount about him. Blinds are 5k/10k/1k, I have 400k and V has 200k. V is quite LAG when he is first in but once he sees pressure he plays super tight, even once showing AKo as a preflop fold. He also plays relatively straightforward post flop. I am on in the CO and V is directly to my right in the HJ. His opening range here will include all pairs, all broadway cards, all aces, and probably some higher suited connectors. I don’t expect any one-gappers, and no connectors lower than 89s. He opens to 25k. The button has 200k and is a very, very good player. SB is an older man who plays tight with 110k. The BB is a young kid with only 80k, who has been quiet up until now.
I look down at JJ. Any debate here?
September 8, 2016
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I would say 3bet to 60-70K and snap call a 4bet shove. Seems the nuts VS HIJ open with 20BB’s.
How did the hand turn out?
May 1, 2016
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Is there any merit to
a) flat calling preflop and playing IP post flop with someone who plays very straightforwardly? or
b) 3betting and consider folding to a 4bet from someone who has not 4bet yet, even with AKo?
June 2, 2013
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V is 20bb deep, I think call is best, even more when you have a note that “V is quite LAG when he is first in but once he sees pressure he plays super tight”, I guess when you 3bet this you narrow his range to better hands for 4bet, and you probably should not call his shove, i haven´t done the math on this.
When you call, the blinds can move all in and you can call, I guess you can call the original opener too, because he will play a little bit wider on the iso, because of the dead money, and you can get him dominated.
Call to play IP, and call a cbet on most boards, maybe not on AKx, AQx, KQx, x not being a J.
A 3bet would probably be ok with a weak Ax, because of the blocker, and you can make him fold a lot of better hands. JJ is too strong to bluff it.
May 30, 2012
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I’m going to say 3bet 60-70k most of the time, but I don’t mind a flat some of the time to disguise your hand and be tricky. Sucks if the flop is AK3……. but see what happens on flop.
May 1, 2016
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So I flat. Blinds fold and we go HU to the flop.
The flop is 8d 6h 4d.
What would be your thoughts here regarding your plan if V checks as well as if he cbets?
May 30, 2012
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If I read this correctly, there are 12 left. I thought you were the bb at first. I would have 3bet him pre esp w/ him have 20bbs. Although lately in LIVE tourneys, I’m seeing a lot of players opening and folding to 3bets, but you are close to a FT and I would say big money jumps.
What’s the next pay jump? Do you know if the V is a PRO or solid Reg w/ lots of results. I think that comes in to play as well.
So we flat pre, if V checks, I bet……….. if V cbets, I pot control and see what he does on the turn because depending on how you perceive him in this spot, is he going to SPEW w/ 20bbs w/ AK AQ KQ or 77 99? JJ is BIg in this spot. it might be a cooler.
what if the turn is a 4 or 2……….. are you going to fold? TT is in play for him (should be) In my mind, your hand is still under repped.
May 1, 2016
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Yeah there are 12 left. 10-12 get $1350, 9th is $1650, and then increasing up to 3rd at $7k, 2nd $10.5k, and first $16k.
I have position on him. V is definitely not a PRO, and I don’t know if he is a solid reg or a lucky one. Has not been playing sensational nor has been really positionally sensative. When I saw him fold the AKo preflop I thought it was a mistake, and I also saw him try some ill-timed bluffs as well as open weaker hands like KJo from UTG at full ring. So I would guess a lucky one. But he seemed relaxed and did not seem to care about the money, which makes me think he has a lot.
If I choose to three bet preflop, I’m three betting with the intention of getting it in right? Never three bet folding? In that case, would it be better to shove or 3 bet? He has the effective stack at 20 bbs, not that extraordinary for a preflop shove IMO.
Once the flop comes out, I agree he wouldn’t go crazy with AK/AQ, but I also think that he may not cbet with those either, taking a passive check and possibly fold line given the way he’s played tight post flop. I don’t think he would bluff off a decent portion of his stack with even a simple c bet. Could the argument be made, then, to actually straight fold to a cbet, if |I think he is not cbetting worse than A high? I suppose A8 would be in his cbetting range, but that as well as 10s and 9s are the only hands I would see him cbetting with that I am ahead of.
And is there an argument for calling the cbet then folding to a turn barrel?
June 1, 2014
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He also plays relatively straightforward post flop
Since you have position, flat pre, and bet if he shows weakness.
When you flat pre, the button (given your description) will shove often, which you should almost always call.
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