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Deep in $115k ACR. (99 in HJ facing 3bet from CO)
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October 3, 2016 - 2:03 pm
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48 players left. Avg stack 150k. I have 200k (40bb’s) and villain is chip leader of tourney. He just got moved to table about 5 hands ago. No reads on villain just know he is from Europe. His 3bet is pretty small, do you ever flat or jam it in? HH converter not working for me.

Seat 1: SlodkaMalina (486046).
Seat 2: KingsNutz (148520).
Seat 3: AllADreAAm (164730).
Seat 5: chall3nge (180905).
Seat 6: Delicious U.S. (76164).
Seat 7: vama (92972).
Seat 8: psilocebin (49796).
Seat 9: ACABLA (216779).
Player AllADreAAm ante (500)
Player chall3nge ante (500)
Player Delicious U.S. ante (500)
Player vama ante (500)
Player psilocebin ante (500)
Player ACABLA ante (500)
Player SlodkaMalina ante (500)
Player KingsNutz ante (500)

Player AllADreAAm has small blind (2500)
Player chall3nge has big blind (5000)

Player Delicious U.S. folds
Player vama folds
Player psilocebin folds
Player ACABLA raises (11850)     HAND (99)
Player SlodkaMalina raises (24500)
Player KingsNutz folds
Player AllADreAAm folds
Player chall3nge folds

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October 3, 2016 - 9:37 pm
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Not enough info here to make any comments. Sorry

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October 3, 2016 - 9:44 pm
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oops sorry saw post title and your hand there 99. Don’t think I like 4 betting OOP, so it’s flat or fold? I think I’m flatting and seeing the flop, V’s range should be pretty wide. I’d fight for the pot on a low flop or flop with a lot of equity but release if broadways flop..maybe that’s too passing but don’t need to tangle with the big stack OOP. I guess a jam is in the realm of possibility but you are basically turning your hand into a bluff because it’s a lot of BB’s and if you get called you are probably toast. My 2c…

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The following is a ramble of word vomit as I type out my thoughts. Please don’t mistake length of post for education or clout on the subject, but a semblance of my understanding of this spot.

 

This deep in a major tournament, I’d start looking up as much information on my opponents as I can, unless it hurts me drastically to do so. You mentioned the villain is from Europe. You’re playing on America’s Card Room. AMERICA’S CARD ROOM. I’d assume this villain is a professional until shown otherwise. There’s no other reason I could see a European player jumping onto the site. A recreational European player probably has no idea on the makeup of United States-facing poker sites. There are too many hoops to jump through for that type of person to be in this tournament.

Next, stack sizes. Average stack in this game is finally creeping downward. Average is 30bb and your villain has just shy of 100! How do you think the villain got that? Waiting and waiting and then 3betting Aces? Probably not. With the tournament approaching late-game, and chips becoming more and more valuable, your stack (and the stacks of the blinds) are prime targets for attacking light. If you call, your postflop skill game better be killer or you’re going to fold the best hand a lot of the time on bad run outs, and get it in bad on a lot of good run outs. Villain knows this, as they’re a European player on AMERICAS CARD ROOM! The only option the blinds have to play any of their hands in the even that they face a 3bet, is to shove or fold. They don’t have any postflop maneuverability, and they aren’t likely to just spew their tournament away by cold calling QJs or 22 and check/folding.

Your range in this spot, readless across the board, could be something like be 22+, K7s+, K9o+, 64s+, A2s+, ATo+, I don’t know, just spit balling here. Seeing that you have a reg on your right, you should cut this down a lot, because they’re probably going to punish you otherwise. As Shaun Deeb said after opening K9o in the cutoff vs James Obst who 3b QTs (I think that was his hand), “I had a hand that’s definitely an open, but as I did it I knew I’m lighting money on fire. You’re too good in this spot.” Villain will 3bet super wide here if they think you’re opening a decent amount here. You can’t continue with all your pair combos, you can’t continue with your suited connecting hands, or your weak aces, or really any of your range.

Since this villain is good, I’d want to make sure I’m not being exploited in this spot, because this is a really good chip collecting spot for them. To do that, I’d 4bet rip enough of my range to make up for it. I’m assuming 99 is close enough to the top of our range (especially after the board runs out all 5) that I want to shove. Yeah we have 40 big blinds and can probably last a lot longer by folding and folding and folding, but you need more than 40 big blinds to make it to the final table, and my guess is if you’re folding 99 here, you’re probably lighting money on fire with your opening range. 

You open to 2.2bb, villain 3bets to 5bb, and the pot has 2bb in it already. So 9bb. Your stack after raising is 38bb. That’s almost 25% of your stack in the middle, and you have a strong hand. If villain folds overcards, you’re golden. If villain 3b/calls AJo+, so be it? You’re making like 2.5% profit anytime that happens. (For simplicity, ~50% equity, and the blinds and antes are about 2bb; 1bb/40bb). Villain 3b TT+ probably. Thats 30 combos. AJ+ is 48 combos. Add in any suited stuff and that’s 4 more combos per hand. The more I do this the more comfortable I feel with a shove. 

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October 4, 2016 - 11:47 am
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Very persuasive argument sharktank 🙂 agreed cEV its a shove most likely. Is there a way to stick this in an ICM calc..? I don’t own one..

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October 4, 2016 - 1:15 pm
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Here are the ICM Numbers

Villains Call Resteal Rangehttps://gyazo.com/0f3eef1ca7dc543a35b904e9456226dcImage Enlarger

 99’s Equtiy

https://gyazo.com/9b755c466678a2e9bb5b704b59e64e5aImage Enlarger 

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October 4, 2016 - 3:35 pm
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I think I disagree with that 3b range. Your average reg definitely 3bets hands like T9s, 87s, QTs, QJs, K9s, 86s. I wouldnt say any of those hands is 100% 3betting, but there are a lot more hands you aren’t including in this sim.

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October 4, 2016 - 4:25 pm
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I made no adjustments there. This is calculated with ionizer (FGS) with 40 people left.

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October 4, 2016 - 6:58 pm
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Oh that’s make sense. 🙂 Could you explain FGS? The 3bet range there is definitely wider and would drastically alter the results.

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October 5, 2016 - 2:32 am
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FGS is means Future Game Simulation. 

…..mulations/

The ICM tool calculates the $EV till the end of the of the tourney. 

I don’t think that the range would be so much wider, cause the BTN/SB/BB stacks are excellent for squeezing.

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I jammed and the villain tank called with JJ. Since he tanked called maybe he was tighter than I thought. Jacobsharktank went through a lot of what I was thinking (chip leader from Europe in late position and I can increase my stack by 25%). 

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Radriguez said
Not enough info here to make any comments. Sorry  

Disagree with this. We have stack sizes and positions, that’s enough to at least say something.

I think flatting here is really the only option. It’s hardly ideal, but he made it really small. 99 isn’t a good hand to 4-bet/fold since it has poor blockers and is wasting a good flatting hand, and it’s not really strong enough to 4-bet/call unless villain is really spazzy or we have history.

I don’t understand why people are talking about jamming preflop (Jacob), I think that’s really spewy – we’re more than 40bb deep, and since villain’s range is wide it’s perfectly acceptable to think about flatting a 3-bet OOP here. We have some room to maneuver.

I don’t understand the logic of thinking villain must surely be a professional in this spot but also thinking that he might call off with a hand like AJo here – there’s a 0% chance any half-decent pro is doing that, it would be terrible. We’re probably getting called off by something like TT+ AQs+, which is obviously a really small % of villain’s wide 3-betting range but in comparison to the EV of flatting I don’t think it’s really particularly close here. I think we should have zero jamming range in this spot – if we’re 4-betting we can comfortably make it ~65k as a bluff and then fold to a shove, or we can make it ~65k to induce action with our strong hands.

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October 12, 2016 - 3:58 pm
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Matt,

radriguez says in his next post that he missed hero’s hand in the title.

Why would it be terrible for villain to 3bet/call off in this spot? I remember kidcardiff (I think his name was something like that) a couple of years ago going over btn vs co spots and he’d 3b/call off AT vs lags who he knew opened all Ax hands because they would often turn the AxSS hands into 4b shoves, flat or fold a lot of middling strength, and then also shove hands stronger. After seeing that video, I started doing that against regs and I noticed quite a few instances of it working against a TPE pro. My perceived 3bet % in that situation is very likely 10-20% because I take a lot of squeeze spots. I think I run close to 24/22/10 overall, but I have a lot of post flop leaks (namely adjusting too far and thinking opponents are thinking about me going crazy too often, so I’ll go to the felt poorly). FWIW, I don’t mean to say that the villain definitely 3b/calls off AJo but I can certainly find situations in my own database where that would work. I’m quite surprised to see you call that a terrible play.

As for us having 99, there’s 25% of our stack in the pot. Are we just playing ck/call down on “good” boards? Not getting to realize our equity in the pot easily makes me hate this spot as a flat. Suited connectors retain their equity better. I don’t have flopzilla with me at work, but are we going into check/raise mode on some of the high card flops to prevent from getting bluffed off? I’m so confused here.

This villain is a pro and I’m adamant about that because of the location reads. There just aren’t any recreational European players on this network. If that then means they’ll never 3b/call off < AQ here, I’m going to have to admit I’m missing something and point back to the fact that I’m a fish. Appreciate ya!

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