Maybe most of you guys playing high stakes you are not facing those kind of spots. But me personaly playing low micro is started to be annoying and i will explain.How we deal with those limpers with PP,Marginal Hands etc in early stages? Should we ISO? If we iso they will call 100% of the time .. whats the best play against them ?
If you have a monster just make a big raise and try get one of the limpers to come along. Other hands that are good just call and see the flop, hands like AQ and 77-JJ. Drawing hands such as suited connectors call if you are in position and hope that nobody raises from the blinds.
billbam said:
If you have a monster just make a big raise and try get one of the limpers to come along. Other hands that are good just call and see the flop, hands like AQ and 77-JJ. Drawing hands such as suited connectors call if you are in position and hope that nobody raises from the blinds.
Bill you are spot on today imo…You need to be grinding today
I also play alot of these and have found that until u get to the 50/100 or 75/150 its hard to get the limper to fold to a raise. But you must still raise your premium hands early on. I usaully try and just limp or call small raises with the mid to low pp, early on. Its tough I know, hang in there you will figure out a system that works for you.
There's nothing wrong with being in position with the best hand….so personally, I raise limpers to punish them. Yeah, sometimes they are being tricky with big hands, but more often than not, they are just limping hands they dont want to commit chips with. No, you won't get them to lay down in these micro to mid stake games…..but like I said “nothing wrong with being in position with the best hand”.
I kind of disagree with pedactor when we are at a table with several cronic limpers who wont fold. I only repop with real premiums AK, JJ+ because they simply wont fold. It doesnt matter that Im ahead of their range when we go to the flop mulitway and these guys wont release when they have a piece, more often than not we miss the flop or have maybe TPTK and these guys just call down sometimes hitting wierd straights or two pair. So instead I small ball them in most spots, I dont bloat the pot pre, I play IP and when I smash the flop I take them to value town. When I do have a monster pre I make a strong raise and these idiots still call so we then try to get stacks. But dont raise people who refuse to fold when we have drawing hands, we should be using our skills to out play them when we know they simply cannot fold correctly. And mor eoften than not in the small stakes every table has two or three of these guys that play like this so when they are in the hand I play them like this. When other people are in or Im first to act I play my standard game and like pedactor said I try to punish them.
Yeah I tend to agree that you don't want to “bloat” the pot with most hands but with a premium I am going raise big (prob 3x + .5 – 1bb for each limper). In the early stages if I'm in position with a hand that could flop well, I will min-raise to juice the pot a little in case I nail the flop… the min-raise here isn't intended to get people to fold. If you miss the flop you let it go.
To add to my post this is only early when we get late and they still limp then we simply must punish them because of the stack size to pot ratios. Limping goes out the window for me, I may consider completing in the SB if like there is a bunch of dead money and I have hand that could flop big, but thats about it.
Limpers drive me nuts.
At the micros, lots of people like to open limp (and they'll usually then call a raise) with a small pair, suited ace (even offsuit ace-rag sometimes), and sometimes a suited connector, to try to play bingo and spike a miracle hand. It's hard to get them to fold.
I seem to bust a lot of tournaments when I shove a 15-25 BB stack from late position or the blinds over two or three limps and get called by someone who's limped in with a small pair. (I definitely get to practice tilt control when this happens.)
On that note, is it ever right to open-limp in a tournament? I understand that some people do this to get tricky with AA or KK, and I guess I understand that. But in general, open limping just seems absolutely horrible. Am I wrong?
July 3, 2010
I'm trying something new where if I have a stack that's pretty marginal to open shove (and stack where I don't want to 2.5 or 3X and get flatted in position) I will limp something like 88 or 99 and hope for someone to raise with a weakish hand to ISO. Then I simply jam over it and usually have them in bad shape. It probably only works well at low stakes but I'm having success with it and don't plan on stopping until results tell me to.
FkCoolers said:
I'm trying something new where if I have a stack that's pretty marginal to open shove (and stack where I don't want to 2.5 or 3X and get flatted in position) I will limp something like 88 or 99 and hope for someone to raise with a weakish hand to ISO. Then I simply jam over it and usually have them in bad shape. It probably only works well at low stakes but I'm having success with it and don't plan on stopping until results tell me to.
Clearly you're a thinking player and are doing it for the right reasons. Maybe I'll try this!
rivermen123 said:
FkCoolers said:
I'm trying something new where if I have a stack that's pretty marginal to open shove (and stack where I don't want to 2.5 or 3X and get flatted in position) I will limp something like 88 or 99 and hope for someone to raise with a weakish hand to ISO. Then I simply jam over it and usually have them in bad shape. It probably only works well at low stakes but I'm having success with it and don't plan on stopping until results tell me to.
Clearly you're a thinking player and are doing it for the right reasons. Maybe I'll try this!
Yep sounds good, I'm gonna try this new move and call it the 'FkCooler'.
Perfect example dumb ass showed up wit Q8 off turned a 4 card str8.
PokerStars Game #49718810470: Tournament #309837758, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit – Level VII (50/100) – 2010/09/16 17:22:50 ET Table '309837758 156' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: gottiboy19 (8072 in chips) Seat 2: yoni h10 (4698 in chips) Seat 3: pypycia (930 in chips) Seat 4: ceppoking3 (5445 in chips) Seat 5: BudR8cin (3440 in chips) Seat 6: Eva45 (4415 in chips) gottiboy19: posts the ante 10 yoni h10: posts the ante 10 pypycia: posts the ante 10 ceppoking3: posts the ante 10 BudR8cin: posts the ante 10 Eva45: posts the ante 10 BudR8cin: posts small blind 50 Eva45: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BudR8cin [Jh Jc] gottiboy19: folds yoni h10: folds pypycia: folds ceppoking3: calls 100 BudR8cin: raises 300 to 400 Eva45: folds ceppoking3: calls 300 |
Budr8cin said:
Perfect example dumb ass showed up wit Q8 off turned a 4 card str8.
PokerStars Game #49718810470: Tournament #309837758, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit – Level VII (50/100) – 2010/09/16 17:22:50 ET
Table '309837758 156' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gottiboy19 (8072 in chips)
Seat 2: yoni h10 (4698 in chips)
Seat 3: pypycia (930 in chips)
Seat 4: ceppoking3 (5445 in chips)
Seat 5: BudR8cin (3440 in chips)
Seat 6: Eva45 (4415 in chips)
gottiboy19: posts the ante 10
yoni h10: posts the ante 10
pypycia: posts the ante 10
ceppoking3: posts the ante 10
BudR8cin: posts the ante 10
Eva45: posts the ante 10
BudR8cin: posts small blind 50
Eva45: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BudR8cin [Jh Jc]
gottiboy19: folds
yoni h10: folds
pypycia: folds
ceppoking3: calls 100
BudR8cin: raises 300 to 400
Eva45: folds
ceppoking3: calls 300
imo in the micros you gotta pop it up just a wee bit more.
when i see limpers i lick my lips. limping just screams I HAVE NO PLAN AND WILL FORMULATE ONE ONCE I SEE A FLOP and for the limpers that limp big its just so obv. you can normally outplay these fish pre and the benefit is your getting action when you have premium nothing worse than walked aces or kings
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