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o.k……lets set this up…I have the chip lead with about 450k…the final table had just started a few hands prior and one short stack was eliminated to leave us with 9 left…..hand is folded to a super agro manic who earlier in the day had been caught all in shoving with 8-2 off and 8-9 off…….seems to raise every other hand…….blinds are 6k-12k with a 400 ante and I am in the small blind….super agro jams 170k out of the 6th position…my intention was to insta call but to my suprise the guy in the 7 seat who I had NO experience with re jams with 375k…..action is to me with QQ …. I would like to hear responses on how some tpe'ers would play this hand……I will post results later today
I fold. It's so many chips and such a sick ICM spot.
Since you are chip leader, I would prob sigh fold. I think you can make a strong argument for calling though, rejammer prob knows super agg guy could have anything and he might iso with weak aces or even KQ type of hand. Do you have reads on rejammer? You got to just use all the info, reads/ranging, and consider icm.
fold most of the time
but like hawkeye mentioned i would make my decision depending on what read i have on the rejammer guy.
July 3, 2010
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rivermen123 said:
I fold. It's so many chips and such a sick ICM spot.
Yeah. I fold and completely lie about my hand if I tanked and anyone asks.
O.K……I told you that I would give the results of the hand….I folded…..lots of reasons but mainly the two primary were that I was only invested 6400 with small blind and ante and if I polarize the re-jammer's range to 10,jj,kk,aa,ak that gives me 2 hands where I am way ahead, 2 hands where I am way behind and 1 hand that I am flipping ….I was almost 100% positive that I was ahead of the initial all in but in that spot I would prefer not to be calling such a large re-jam when I am one of only 3 stacks with 30+ bigs left and can easily find better spots where I am not risking so much…most of the final table was pretty much just trying to move up the payout ladder and I just felt that I could continue to use my stack to gain more chips by exploiting that fact….there were a few young internet players who were friends of the re-jammer wondering how I could possible lay down qq in that spot and continued on about how I wasn't playing to win but I think that that laydown essentially won me the tour……the jammer has a-7 off and the re-jam had a-k of hearts and the king flops which now gives the agro re-jammer 525k and the chip lead….I would really like to know the math but I don't think I was the fav in the hand giving the original raiser a range of ax,aa,kk,jj,10-10,9-9,8-8,7-7,kq,kj and maybe qj….now adding the re-jammers range above I just think it was the correst fold regargless of the results…….
Hm, so you showed it? Did showing that fold make any of the younger kids play different against you throughout the final table? Would be interesting to hear if you were able to use that to your advantage at all, but maybe it was shallow enough where it didn't come significantly into play?
This is such a tough ICM spot but I think a fold is right as well. JJ is such a easy snap fold and in certain situations I'd be willing to get QQ in here but with very little to go as far as reads are concerned at beginning of a FT I'd just go ahead and fold and not tell anyone.
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