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November 28, 2015
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Game started at: 2018/9/5 22:52:47
Game ID: 1263769812 30/60 $10 Freeroll – On Demand, Table 12 (Hold’em)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Reut_888 (1440).
Seat 2: pirate bill (3145).
Seat 3: RATO72 (1500).
Seat 4: MojoWild (9590).
Seat 6: 3D4Real (1105).SB
Seat 7: Maniac1130 (1500). BB
Seat 8: BJs pjs (1980).
Seat 9: terrorca (4310).
Player 3D4Real has small blind (30)
Player Maniac1130 has big blind (60)
Player 3D4Real received a card.
Player 3D4Real received a card.
Player Maniac1130 received : 8
5
Player BJs pjs received a card.
Player BJs pjs received a card.
Player terrorca received a card.
Player terrorca received a card.
Player Reut_888 received a card.
Player Reut_888 received a card.
Player pirate bill received a card.
Player pirate bill received a card.
Player RATO72 received a card.
Player RATO72 received a card.
Player MojoWild received a card.
Player MojoWild received a card.
Player BJs pjs folds
Player terrorca folds
Player Reut_888 is timed out.
Player Reut_888 folds
Player pirate bill calls (60)
Player RATO72 calls (60)
Player MojoWild folds
Player 3D4Real calls (30)
Player Maniac1130 checks
*** FLOP ***: 10 5 Q(POT 240)
Player 3D4Real checks
Player Maniac1130 checks
Player pirate bill checks
Player RATO72 checks
*** TURN ***: 10 5 Q K
Player 3D4Real checks
Player Maniac1130 bets (120)….50%
Player pirate bill folds
Player RATO72 calls (120)
Player 3D4Real folds
POT 480
*** RIVER ***: 10 5 Q K J
Player Maniac1130 bets (360)….75%
Player RATO72 calls (360)
Player RATO72 mucks cards
—— Summary ——
Pot: 1200
Board: [10s 5s Qs Ks Jc]
Ok, I understand this hand has a ton of different variables. If we apply some of them from the hand DDD played, the bet sizing on the river is where the focus is. Here, again, substituting similar variables from DDDs hand is where I have consistently made errors. I would normally be firing around 25-30%. This hand happened roughly ten minutes ago BTW. Correct me if I am wrong, but Drew is this what you were saying?
November 28, 2015
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Ignore the actual hand, literally the only scenario where I am playing it…ever.
February 8, 2017
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I think this is a similar spot, but only in terms of sizing. The hand itself is quite different. As opposed to the QJ hand, where I was near the top of my range (most better hands would 3bet preflop), you’re basically at the bottom of your value range. I’d also be less inclined to go for thin value in a multi-way pot. You’re representing a much stronger range when you bet into 3 people on the turn and villain will presumably call turn with a stronger range. Especially on a 4-flush, both of your ranges become quite narrow, so it is pretty hard to find enough combos worse than an 8 high flush that pay you off on the river. Still, if you are betting the river, I like this size a lot more than 1/3rd pot.
November 28, 2015
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Agreed! and yes you nailed it. The hand is almost irrelevant. Because, given this is a freeroll, most of the field is extremely soft 90% of the entire tourney. Where as, playing in slightly higher stakes, I don’t think we ever really see a 4-way limp pot, and we are only raising this hand to throw it in the muck. But if we have say, 88 with 8 of spades, and CO raises preflop etc, etc. I like river size as well.
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