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Dan Harringtons three MTT books vs. Kill Everyone and The Raiser's Edge
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April 28, 2013 - 12:03 pm
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Hi there,

 

I am quite new to TPE, watching a lot of videos right now.

I come here with some major questions about the books mentioned in the thread title:

First of all, do the pros of you think that Harringtons strategic advice on MTT poker still applies on modern online poker, expiecially in the low buy-ins (~$2 – $25)? I've noticed that especially his advice on preflop raising of 2,5x – 5x bb (except for the noobish low buyins where everybody calls with anytwo suited cards) seems quite outdated. But apart from that, sticking to his tight range preflop in the no-ante stages and all the other advice he gives – is it still good advice (in the most parts?).

I have come back to his way of play and it seems to me it does improve my play again. Still my sample-size is quite low, so I'd love to know what you guys think.

Now the second part:

After reading Harringtons books I went to read “Kill Everyone” and “The Raiser's Edge” pretty fast and was fascinated about all the great equilibrium charts and the ideas about fear and fold equity. Still my game sucked after trying to apply some of the new stuff (I guess mostly because I overdid bluffing). That's why I try to mostly ignore these two books until I feel my game is solid enough again to implement something new.

Still, I wonder if some of you read these books and what you think about them. 🙂

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April 29, 2013 - 7:01 am
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Read all the books you mentioned and a few more.

 

I def think you can still beat online micr/low stakes MTTs by sticking to the stuff described in the Harringtons. Same holds true for low/mid live MTTs.

THe books are very good fundamentals. 

 

Kill Everyone: very good book for the modern MTT player. Covers a lot of the things one should know about the dynamics of MTTs

 

The Raisers Edge: allthough i am a math nerd and like all the graphs and tables and equations i think its a bit to theoretical with to many assumptions. But, its very good to learn how to do the things yourself based on your reads.

 

What i like as a quick read is “The tournament rules” by Chris “Fox” Wallace. It sums up the basic bullet points of playing MTTs (not calling more then 5% eff stack with spec hands). its easily read in 1-2hours.

 

also the series by rizen,apestyles and pearljammer have some good points in it.

 

But, with a subscription here and the willingness to watch tons of videos actively (taking notes) you are in good shape to get better.

I basically would suggest kind of a studying schedule for you.

For example watch a video series form a pro that has a similar style. Choose 1-2 things you want to apply(3betting light etc) 

then play a session and look for spots where you can apply the concept you learned. try it out and save the HH for your success and failures and discuss them.

paritcipte actively in the forums. dont be afraid to ask basic questions even if the thread seems to be very advanced. There are not a lot of forum trolls in here (tbh i am prob the only one from time to time). so you will get good responses

also a great way to improve your game but a more expensive one is to take a personal coach. Some coaches are also doing backing deals with their students. just check the fourms here or elsewhere.

 

if there are any questions feel free to ask.

cheers

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April 29, 2013 - 10:21 am
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Great post, Florian. I especially like the advice about how to study at the end!

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April 30, 2013 - 1:49 am
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Andrew…. is this maybe another idea for a video for TPE….???? similar to how you and Nate do a book club section on thinking poker PC….. could you do a theory/review video based around principles discussed in certain books?

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April 30, 2013 - 3:02 am
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i was actually thinking about launching a book club section in the forum!

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i have read the raisers edge recently, and its a really good book. yes it is theoretical, but i think some people these days just look for a blueprint on how to click buttons rather than thinking about the game, and so i actually liked this approach. 

 

then again i much prefer the theory vids on tpe over the live sweats for instance, so i guess that suits me better. 

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April 30, 2013 - 4:54 am
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bennymacca said:

 

then again i much prefer the theory vids on tpe over the live sweats for instance, so i guess that suits me better. 

^^^THIS^^^

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Hey Sen,

One particular book that goes hand in hand with Raisers Edge is Jonathon Littles Volume 1. He really teaches and emphasises you think about each deciison and not just a blueprint for “if this, then this”.

His Volume 2 is quite good except most sections apply to live, although there are nuggets of gold in there applying to shorthanded and general life/poker balance.

Im actually looking forward to his volume 3 that is released soon. Its meant to be a workbook outlining what to do in certain situations with concepts from the other Volumes, much like the “winning tournaments one hand a time” series.

As Florian said the best thing is to focus on one aspect at a time, see how you can apply it in your current games and review old mtts and see where it could have been applied.

Consistency is the key to fast learning to establish and strengthen those neural connections!

GL

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To date I am an owner of 63 different poker books and after being on this site for just 3 mths have been a 'MENTAL PATIENT' watching hours and hours of the videos dating back as far as they go.I have just played a little here and there and basically gonna graduate myself here shortly and put in some massive volume to beat the varaiance…This site actually will allow me to finally sell all my poker books apart from a couple which are the 'poker mindset' and 'poker winners are different'.These 2 books are good to have around when running bad.I am in America and only able to play at one of the sites available and the few tournaments I have had a little success but not enough volume to beat the 'Bad Beats' that have come to me.As long as I am making the right decision I dont tilt anymore and this site has taught me that.So this is more than endorsement to any new folks who are just now joining..Okay gonna watch couple more videos before bed.

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Just played a little here and there WHILE being on this site to retrain myself….just wanted to clarify that.

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