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September 22, 2013
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I wanted to see if anyone had suggestions for creating balanced hand ranges? I found the following video which got me a few steps down the road, I think, but I feel I'm probably not understanding all the issues. What got me thinking about this was listening to an interview with Ed Miller where he mentioned building ranges for raising, calling and folding and adjusting those ranges as a hand proceeds. Essentially, I want to find out how to do this. Any suggestions?
March 11, 2014
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He was probably discussing his book 'Poker's 1%' in which he suggests opening a strong range pre and continuing a lot of the time in the hand which forces you to open up your cbet and turn ranges. The book does discuss how to do this in detail and it is based on continuing in the hand about 70% of the time.
I find that Andrew Brokos' videos are very helpful in determining which hands to continue with. The getting value series, hand reading series and bluffing series all have tons of information on how to do this and how your plan changes as the board develops. Also how to build a range for your opponent as the hand progresses. I read somewhere a pro stating that when you stop thinking about the actual 2 cards in your hand and start thinking about your perceived range against your opponent's range you are finally playing poker…..or something to that effect lol
My range tends to be heavily value based so the bluffing series was really helpful in determining optimal bluffing frequencies. I think this is going to have a huge impact on my game.
There is also an argument that balancing ranges if you're playing large field microstake donkaments is over-rated unless you are playing against the same people often. They just probably aren't paying attention until it gets to the FT or HU.
September 22, 2013
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It was “Pokers 1%” which I just received in the mail. I'm just at the beginning of the discussion of building a pyramid. I look forward to trying to understand all the concepts in the book and then starting to try the math to refine the concepts.
Thanks for the recomendation on Andrew's videos. I've watched several of them but I'm looking forward to going back through them with this new level of thinking about the game.
I'm curious how you create your ranges. You say they are heavily value based but is that based on folding percentages for opponents or to set up stronger continuation opportunities later in the hand? Is this the sort of thing in Ed's book? Maybe a video on this site covers this part of the equation.
Thanks for answering my original post.
March 11, 2014
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You’re probably further along the road then I am…..rewatching Ben Warrington’s theory videos now about MTT play for different stack sizes which are great too but have a lot of advanced plays. Like to hear about it if you implement Ed’s concepts how that goes. It seems as if it could be very effective at micro and small stakes where people tend to fold too much and you don’t get played back at a lot
September 22, 2013
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I wish I was farther along. Just starting. I'm thinking of testing various ranges against some of the odds offered by various bet sizes. For example, if opponent bets $100 into a $200 pot you need to win 25% of the time. What hands have that equity? Those can be a calling range. Better than that could be a raising range and worse can become a folding range. According to Ed's book, we need to fold less than 33% of the time to deny our opponent the odds they have in the hand. So I need to call or raise 67% of hands to deny that equity. I have yet to start, but that's the process I am going to start working through.
Funny you mentioned Ben Warrington's videos. I just started the preflop series based on Andrew Brokos mentioning them on his podcast.
Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate the time.
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December 6, 2012
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I'm really glad you all are finding my videos helpful as you work on this tricky but extremely important concept. I might even say it's not so much as a skill as a way of thinking.
Anyway, of course I agree about Ed Miller being an excellent resource for this sort of thing as well. And in fact, you can hear Ed and me (and Nate Meyvis!) discuss Ed's new book on the Thinking Poker Podcast: …..-pokers-1/
Happy ranging!
September 22, 2013
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Actually Andrew it was your podcast that got all of this started. Listening to the interview with Ed about his new book combined with discovering a few videos began the process for me. I feel like lsitening to all the Thinking Poker podcasts from day one to today (literally in my case) has finally started getting through. I also reached out to Nate on his site and he was kind enough to make some suggestions that I have begun capitalizing on. Thanks for the articles, videos and podcasts (both free and premium, just got mine). I plan to go back to podcast one and try to anylize the strategy segment hands with the techniques from Ed's book to try and understand more fully the strategy you and Nate discuss. Should be fun!
June 11, 2012
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just FYI also mathew janda has a lot of valuable points on constructing ranges.
Especially BTN vs Blinds and BTN vs CO/HJ
its more for cash game but we all know that cash game wizz are the better post flop players
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