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First off I tryed posting all my hands in the TPE hand converter messing around with the format and could never get it to work so I apologize in advance if the hands aren't posted correctly.
First hand, bubble had just burst and the villain was shoving the blinds quite often. Is Q8 a terrible call here for I assume hes shoving any two? I feel like it was a mistake (regardless of results) for the fact I'm flipping and I might double up or I'm out of the tourny and mini cashing. What do you guys think? Would it be different if he just 3x raised?
PokerStars – $2.28+$0.22|600/1200 NL (9 max) – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (BB): 17,755.00
UTG: 5,369.00
UTG+1: 34,206.00
MP: 19,661.00
MP+1: 13,903.00
CO: 14,777.00
BTN: 5,570.00
SB: 26,597.00
Hero posts ante 125.00, UTG posts ante 125.00, UTG+1 posts ante 125.00, MP posts ante 125.00, MP+1 posts ante 125.00, CO posts ante 125.00, BTN posts ante 125.00, SB posts ante 125.00, SB posts SB 600.00, Hero posts BB 1,200.00
Pre Flop: (2800.00) Hero has Q
8
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]SB raises to 4,800.00[/color], [color=red]Hero raises to 17,630.00 and is all-in[/color], SB calls 12,830.00
Flop: (36260.00, 2 players) T J
J
Turn: (36260.00, 2 players) 6
River: (36260.00, 2 players) 9
Second hand we're at the final table. I feel like this was horrible and wonder if any of you this late are shoving the blinds? I mean I can understand doing it with a stronger hand that I would have better show down value with but I just had the thought process that any two is fine here for the fact they are folding or I can suck out if I get called. I assume that was a horrible way to think this late and that I'm fairly deep stacked, I think maybe here I need to change gears a little when getting into the money.
PokerStars – $2.28+$0.22|2000/4000 NL (9 max) – Holdem – 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BB: 37,725.00
UTG: 36,087.00
UTG+1: 41,579.00
MP: 16,954.00
CO: 27,984.00
Hero (BTN): 34,860.00
SB: 74,811.00
BB posts ante 400.00, UTG posts ante 400.00, UTG+1 posts ante 400.00, MP posts ante 400.00, CO posts ante 400.00, Hero posts ante 400.00, SB posts ante 400.00, SB posts SB 2,000.00, BB posts BB 4,000.00
Pre Flop: (8800.00) Hero has 4 T
fold, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]Hero raises to 34,460.00 and is all-in[/color], [color=red]SB raises to 74,411.00 and is all-in[/color], fold
Flop: (75720.00, 2 players) 6
K 2
Turn: (75720.00, 2 players) 6
River: (75720.00, 2 players) 6
I feel I can answer both these hands myself as both seem to be fold/fold but I would like a little insight from you guys on spots like these and what you do in these situations with tight players in the blinds etc. My main problem with tourneys/SnGs I play I always seem to blow it at the final table as I don't seem to be “changing gears” when I should be and my ROI suffers as a result. Need to cash big in some of these!
Thanks in advance.
im folding both hands and suggest you are going to try out programs like sngwiz or holdemresources to get a feel for proper ranges with certain stacksizes from certain positions.
In the first hand my worst hand to call a wide shove from the sb would be K8o or K4s, QTs, QJo. I think calling wide is generally not a good thing because you lose control over the game. Better pick out open-shoving spots if you like to overplay hands.
In the 2nd hand i would shove something like the top30% of hands. I don't understand how you think that this hand is enough here. The only position where you are shoving that wide with your stacksize is the sb.
1st hand, folding pre…You have no fold equity with a 3 bet shove and in this buy in, the villain is not messing around. If he is a thinking player at all, he has no reason to attack your stack size.
2nd hand, again fold pre, this is where icm comes in to play and understanding the chips stacks you are shoving in to. At this point you are right in the middle of the pack in regards to chips, and you will find a much better spot to get involved than risk your tourney with 104o.
First Hand — his raise here is saying im not folding, and he shouldnt be raise folding in that spot with a 22bb stack — as said above once you shove you have no fold equity.
Second Hand — I think you can wait for a better spot, you have another orbit to wait to pick up a hand and also, the SB is the big stack and he may call you a lot lighter. Deffo Fold.
oops, my bad. Didn't see the first hand is just a raise from the sb. Thought it was a shove. Yeah, but agree with the fold here too.
As fullpower suggested run these hands through sngwiz, even if not at the final table you can set the wiz to go on cEV instead of ICM. Sit and Go Wizard . com use the 30 day trial.
Both are folds imo.
1) No FE, people don't fold to 3 bets after opening for 4x in these games.
2) A little too light.
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Agree 100% with swet1 here
Just one thing to add to the comments already made is in the first hand you say you have just burst the bubble. As it was you had little fold equity with the shove, but with the bubble just gone I think he will be even more likely to call as a lot of players are more willing to gamble once they are in the money.
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