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Correct call/iso?
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September 20, 2014 - 1:52 pm
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Hey guys just wanted your opinion on this particular spot.
So HJ, CO or BTN jams (reg) (only one) 10-15bb you are in small blind with 10-30bb, bb has 10-30 bb is it profitable to iso/call(call if same amount of bbs as shove) even smallest pairs here? as i seem to only call / iso 55+ here , big mistake?

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September 22, 2014 - 7:34 pm
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Hi Ringo,

 

unfortunately your post is too inaccurate for explicit anwer.

Move in this spot is strongly related to:
opponents opening ranges,
blinds and antes level,
tournament phase (bubble, near the bubble, far away from bubble etc)
table image (weak field or a strong one etc)
as well as tournament type (rebuy, 2x chance, freezout, satelite etc)

and probably even more other factors

 

Next time please be more precise in your posts.

 

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September 23, 2014 - 11:57 pm
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I agree it’s too situation but baton a lot of the factors you list aren’t really that relevant (blind level, tournament type).

This isn’t a difficult thing to work out mathematically for a given situation, and doing that for yourself is the best way to get stronger in these spots. But I mean, calling a 15 BB HJ shove with 22 is pretty different from calling a 10BB button shove with 44. The latter is definitely a call (usually any pair, unless there are major ICM considerations) and the former a fold unless you have a read that Villain is really wild.

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September 24, 2014 - 10:09 am
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Foucault said:

I agree it's too situation but baton a lot of the factors you list aren't really that relevant (blind level, tournament type).

 

Foucalt I would like to give you examples of how factors I listed above affect decision. Naturally correct me if I am wrong.

 

Blind level – I mean, is it pre – ante phase or ante already kicked in. There is a difference in money already put in pot and obviously you can call wider getting better odds

 

Tournament type – in rebuy tournaments, you can find a lot of value in building deep stack early on. So as long as you are not so deep and you are still in rebuy period it is good to take some bigger risks to gain some chips

In fact both situation described above dont have large impact in current spot, but still in my opinion they are worthly to consider.

Naturally I do not want to undermine your claims. However I will apreciate if you refer to my post.

 

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September 24, 2014 - 7:16 pm
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Thanks for the response, baton. If you think I am wrong, please do try to undermine my claims! That is why we are here discussing this.

You're right that whether there are antes in the pot is a very important factor. Other than that, I don't think blind level matters though. There's no reason why should call a shove at 100/200 but not at 300/600, all other things being equal.

I don't agree with what you say about gambling to get chips, though. You get chips by making +EV calls. If the call is +EV, then you should make it whether or not you are playing a rebuy tournament. If the call is -EV, you shouldn't call just to gamble and try to run up a big stack.

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Foucault said:

I don't agree with what you say about gambling to get chips, though. You get chips by making +EV calls. If the call is +EV, then you should make it whether or not you are playing a rebuy tournament. If the call is -EV, you shouldn't call just to gamble and try to run up a big stack.

Naturally, I consider only +EV spots. In rebuy tournaments it is good to pick up slight value whereas in freezout it will be better to pass up and wait for better spots

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