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May 29, 2012
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This happened with about roughly 21 or 22 people left in the tournament and I was sitting around 4th place. Already in the money. Villain had been playing about 40% of the pots out of the BB. So his range could be wider. When he check raised me on the turn I wasn’t sure what to do. Having a Jack in his hand is less likely since I have 2. I am guessing that V could have a set. maybe 67. But since I now have an open ended draw how should I have proceeded?
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
7 Players
$2.00+$0.20
Blinds 400/800 7
UTG joaoskate666 12,837
UTG+1 RaiseMyDay 9,176
MP Hero 46,644
CO promito 62,400
D ucho85 10,396
SB SnoopyBR 23,644
BB KKbenny 23,889
7 1,760 Hero is MP J J
2 folds, Hero raises to 1,600, 3 folds, KKbenny calls 800
2 4,160 8 5 T
KKbenny checks, Hero bets 2,080, KKbenny calls 2,080
2 8,320 9
KKbenny checks, Hero bets 4,160, KKbenny raises to 9,920, Hero calls 5,760
2 28,160 A
KKbenny goes all-in 10,209, Hero folds
KKbenny wins 38,369 (net +14,480)
Hero lost 13,680
November 18, 2014
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That river fold looks awful to me. With an SPR of 0.3 you are comitted to the pot and you should never be folding there.
In the turn I would just push. We have an overpair and a straight draw, if we put his range on something like JJ-88, Tx, JQ, 76 we are ahead. In addition, even if we don’t get there we still have 20BB to play with so we’re not out of the tourney.
So I’d push on the turn. As played, call on river, not because I think we are good but because of SPR considerations.
June 2, 2013
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have you consider a check behind ott? there is some hands that improved on that turn, like 9T, 67, maybe 97, QJ are less likely cause of the J combos..
with a check ott, and when a A hit on river, i think is just a check again, maybe a small raise to get value from Tx.
what does other think about check that turn?
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December 6, 2012
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I’m with almo, check back the turn. I actually like the river fold and am curious what hands chaos thinks Villain could have that Hero is beating?
November 18, 2014
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Focault, I don’t like the call in the river, but I think we’re committed to the pot on that spot. I don’t think is EV+ to be playing like that to fold on the river. If you were going to fold you fold on the turn, if I call the turn I’m always calling the river bet no matter what card hits.
Although it is very unlikely, he can have Tx. I don’t know but we have to put 10K to win a pot of 50K, so we need him to have Tx (or air) once every five times for the call to be successful. This is a 2$ tournament, I guarantee there is people check raising the turn with a Tx.
I don’t like the check behind in the turn as we do lose value a lot of times when we have top pair and an overpair to the board. My sequence here, at least on those levels, is bet, bet, bet and I’m going to be called with worse (or hit my straight) enough times to justify the times I don’t.
I may reconsider if I have stats on the villain or I know him to be a competent player that will not do that lightly and that I know is aware of what I may have, but if I don’t, I’m going to assume he’s not a competent player and 3 barrel this. In this case, as said, my particular line would have been to push the turn. I’m not folding on the turn and I’m calling on the river no matter what card hits so I’ll just push the turn. What I’m never doing is calling the reraise on the turn to reevaluate on the river.
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December 6, 2012
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My assumption, once V raises the turn, is that Hero is beat close to 100% of the time and calling just based on pot odds to draw to a straight. If you think V could have a bare T, then I agree that you shouldn’t fold river, but I have my doubts about that. Among other things, I think someone who was going to raise a T would do it on the flop. I also don’t know that we’re going to be ahead of his range if he calls on turn, that 9 improves quite a lot of his flop calling range.
June 11, 2012
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i d say in the low/micros turn raises are often nutted and most of the time sets or better.
vs a hs reg i might consider gii turn S he is c/r lots of backdoors ott.
and a side note i would prolly start with a smaller bet otf
March 30, 2015
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It’s a pretty interesting spot, I’m inclined to think that the villain had probably already decided to shove most river cards when he made the check raise on the turn, so while it’s not a card we like seeing when we have an over pair, if we’re folding, I really don’t think it should be because of the river. Personally I don’t think there’s all that many AX hands in his range at the river based on his line anyway. I could see AT, and maybe A8 of hearts, maybe occasionally AK/AQ of hearts, but (without any further info on the villain) I’m going to assume they’d more often than not 3B the latter two, if not the former two as well, pre flop from the blinds.
I think it’s more of a way ahead/way behind situation on the turn, and would view the ace as more of a brick rather than the card that killed our hand. It’s hard to know which way to go without more info being provided about the villain and how they play, but while J7 and JQ are less likely because of our blockers, the villain could easily show up with 67 or T9, but they could also be turning a hand like 79, 7T or Q9 into a bluff with their own pair/straight draw combinations, or perhaps a second pair hand that picked up a flush draw on the turn.
I think this situation is really villain dependant, and what you think their 3 betting range is from the blinds would play a big part in my decision (are hands like 88 and 99 more likely to be in that range or their flatting range?) but I would consider their range to be polarised between semi-nutted but vulnerable hands like 67 and T9, and weak pair straight/flush draw combinations. Holding JJ narrows the range of nutted hands that they can show up with quite a bit, and the fact that the villain knows the ace is probably a scare card to a lot of the hands we’d be cbetting on the flop, would probably make me somewhat more inclined to call. I wouldn’t be ecstatic about calling, but if I called his bet on the turn, the non heart ace on the river probably makes me more inclined to call a river shove rather than less. As played, and with the info provided, I’m probably closing my eyes and clicking the call button, but I wouldn’t have called the turn without expecting him to barrel the river out of position, with less than a PSB left behind.
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