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daveyt86
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May 30, 2012 - 12:21 pm
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I was playing at my local casino in a £25 tournament and made the final table. The player in the hand i will discuss i had only just started playing with him on the final table.

The player was to my right and started TAG in the early part of the final table but then became LAG when we got down to 5 handed, he was opening alot of hands and 100% c-betting all flops and yet to show a hand.

The blinds are 1500/3000 300A and i would say the chip leader would have had no more than 40bb so it was a shallow tournament. I have about 80,000 and the villain has about 65,000.

So its folded around to the SB and he calls, i look down to Aclub 7club and raise to 7500, the SB calls (but doesnt seem happy i raised). The flop comes with an ace and SB checks, i c-bet and he folds.

So the next time were in the blinds the blinds are 1600/3200 300A the SB made a quick call which was different to how he had been playing which made me feel that this time he was strong and was waiting for me to raise again so he could re-shove. I look down at KQ but decide to check.

The flop come Aclub Kdiamond Jdiamond, and the SB leads out for 6000 and i call. So there is now 23,900 in the pot and i have 65,000 behind and the SB has had about the same. The turn come Adiamond and now the SB quickly shoves 45,000 in the pot.

 

I really dont no whether im ahead or not. Im thinking he prob doesnt have an ace now as he wouldnt bet so big, i was thinking he could have the KQ with Q of diamonds but i just got totally confused and i folded.

 

Do you think it was a bad fold?

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May 30, 2012 - 5:40 pm
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good fold, trust your reads

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daveyt86 said:

So its folded around to the SB and he calls, i look down to Aclub 7club and raise to 7500, the SB calls (but doesnt seem happy i raised). The flop comes with an ace and SB checks, i c-bet and he folds.

So the next time were in the blinds the blinds are 1600/3200 300A the SB made a quick call which was different to how he had been playing which made me feel that this time he was strong and was waiting for me to raise again so he could re-shove. I look down at KQ but decide to check.

The flop come Aclub Kdiamond Jdiamond, and the SB leads out for 6000 and i call. So there is now 23,900 in the pot and i have 65,000 behind and the SB has had about the same. The turn come Adiamond and now the SB quickly shoves 45,000 in the pot.

IMHO, you messed up by not raising a very strong hand HU. Nobody is happy to be raised blind vs blind but so what. If you think he will loosen up due to being raised twice in the same situation adjust your play but don’t misplay a hand just because he is unhappy. Maybe next hand you get a monster and stack him when he doesn’t believe you have it 3 times in a row. Playing further from the optimal is what you want to induce the other player to do.

 

By not raising KQ here, you open yourself to be beaten by almost anything from ace rags to suited connectors, to one gappers, and basically any 2 live cards. Even worse you made it very hard to define the villain’s hand. Had you raised him pre-flop, you would narrow his range a lot on the flop, make it very hard for him to lead without really hitting the flop and would be able to represent the A.

 

I'’m a bit confused by the pot sizes. If it was folded to him in the SB and you were 5-handed there should bem 6300 in the pot, and 18300 on the turn. Because then, the villain leading 6000 in a 6300 pot on the flop is very strong. Jamming the turn live in a very small buy-in like this, with this board, can mean a number of things, including a poor play by someone who'’s actually scared of the flush.

 

I wouldn'’t take Ace rags from his range here, as very often in this low buy-in tourneys he might have had a strong hand the previous orbit (ex. he had a suited connector and wanted to see a cheap flop), and now was quick to call with a more marginal hand.

 

As played there’s no way to call the shove on a wet board like this… unless the villain was spewy… and you seem to indicated that all he did was adjust his range to 5-handed play (which sounds fine)…

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