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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t625.00/t1250.00 Blinds – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
flushemout66 (BTN): t17464.00 13.97 BBs
sven11001 (SB): t14215.00 11.37 BBs
C_L�fgren (BB): t26675.00 21.34 BBs
Lenballs1014 (UTG): t10950.00 8.76 BBs
bangOutNow (UTG+1): t27536.00 22.03 BBs
PokahTime (MP1): t13033.00 10.43 BBs
archiebold12 (MP2): t26820.00 21.46 BBs
Hero (CO): t28335.00 22.67 BBs
Pre Flop: (t1875) archiebold12 is CO with A
Q
1 fold, bangOutNow raises to t3750, 2 folds, Hero raises to t28335
villian is unknown
flat or 3bet`?
This is a really tough spot since if you shove you're going to be racing or up against a dominating hand like AK, QQ+ and bangOutNow has opened from EP. I really don't like flatting since weaker hands could cbet you off the best hand. I think I make it 1/3 of my stack and shove any flop, although I've seen a lot of players flatting a 3bet OOP with these stack sizes and shoving any flop, taking that move away from you. Obviously this move is better OOP so you get to act first on the flop and also at about 30BB effective. Your 3bet pre could get hands you're behind to fold, like 77-99 or smaller pocket pairs where they'll fold to your flop jam. BangOutNow has a huge ROI on OPR, mainly down to a big win in the $55 (DNG Sunday Special?), but even so I don't think he's flatting with these stack sizes. So he'll either 4bet jam or fold. Having written all that I don't really know what my advice is… probably to 3bet get it in.
June 25, 2010
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id jam here with 20 bigs
July 3, 2010
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I'm jamming here.
June 11, 2010
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Given that fact that there are a bunch of short stacks behind you yet to act (<10bb) I would jam a hand with this much strength and hope that at least one more came along. The AQs is strong and gives you extra outs even if you do run into AK or QQ+ so there is a shot you have some decent life. On that note I am not sure I assign the villain to purely that range, the table is in general really short so this could be a situation where he is just trying to exploit the table and rob everyone blind. I think I widen up his range and play back hoping to win a huge pot and exert some serious dominance at the table.
I'm sure his range for opening in this spot is much wider than AK and QQ+, but his calling your shove range is/should be much tighter and is never going to be AJ or worse so we are always dominated or racing in this spot.
mistergj said:
I'm sure his range for opening in this spot is much wider than AK and QQ+, but his calling your shove range is/should be much tighter and is never going to be AJ or worse so we are always dominated or racing in this spot.
that said every time he folds we will increase our stack 20% which really is a lot till he is 3x pf it makes a push even better i guess… so after all i think my push is fine
I decided to put some ranges into SitNGo Wizard and found that you can correctly shove if original raiser is opening 11% of pots (very feasible) and then only calling 5% of shoves. It's pretty difficult to be that specific so I'm still unsure if this is a good shove. Do we need a pro's opinion???
July 3, 2010
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lespaulgman said:
Given that fact that there are a bunch of short stacks behind you yet to act (<10bb) I would jam a hand with this much strength and hope that at least one more came along. The AQs is strong and gives you extra outs even if you do run into AK or QQ+ so there is a shot you have some decent life. On that note I am not sure I assign the villain to purely that range, the table is in general really short so this could be a situation where he is just trying to exploit the table and rob everyone blind. I think I widen up his range and play back hoping to win a huge pot and exert some serious dominance at the table.
I don't want anyone else coming along because if they do they either have you beat with a medium pair or they hold a hand that flops well against you like 9Ts.
At this table his range should be basically all pairs (although personally I probably fold out 22-55), AJ+, KQo and KQs. He could also open a little wider than this and include JQs but I discount the weaker side with a full 3X from someone competent.
shove against unknown — you have an unknown's range completely crushed
TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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yeah, im jamming all day.
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TPE Management
July 20, 2010
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yah get it right in there. notice his full 3 x this is also a sign of weaknees to me as stronger players are opening this pot at 2700 full 3 xs there is just giving away to much eqiuty
Wein said:
shove against unknown — you have an unknown's range completely crushed
+1, you could be crushed here but you could just as easily be crushing him. Fold AJ.
HITTHEPANDA said:
Wein said:
shove against unknown — you have an unknown's range completely crushed
+1, you could be crushed here but you could just as easily be crushing him. Fold AJ.
cosign this this is simalier to ronfezs post were as i believe you have about 55% equity verses his range and really think you only need to win here like 35% for it to be +ev and i also agree fold aj
pandalam
i know you ran into AK or QQ or something and busted but you cannot be results-oriented. you are not jamming against the two cards that he is holding right now, you are jamming against his range of hands to be opening in this spot.
to range him, just ask yourself, honestly, what hands do you think he is raising here?
do you think he is looking down at hands like ATs/AJ/77-JJ or even KQs/KJs and folding? I doubt it.
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