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March 23, 2014
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There are less than 20 people left in the Sunday Million and I am coming 3rd (although still only 38BB). I had just 3B the previous hand (vs a different opponent) so I thought there was a good chance of my 3B being played back at. (Overall though I had been playing fairly solid 21/17/6.) Instead, villain flats. Villain is a bit fishy 38/26/0 over 63 hands. I had seen him flat 3B OOP before with hands like KT. I bet big on the flop to avoid naked diamonds drawing out. When he calls the flop I think he could have a Q or a good diamond.
How do you play this? Are you ever folding?
Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t65000/t130000 Blinds + t13000 – 6 players – View hand 2592545
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (SB): BB = 37.8, t4916562, M = 18.01
BB: BB = 30.4, t3957422, M = 14.50
UTG: BB = 26.5, t3442380, M = 12.61
MP: BB = 16.0, t2079512, M = 7.62
CO: BB = 71.0, t9231979, M = 33.82
BTN: BB = 35.5, t4619111, M = 16.92
Pre Flop: (t273000) Hero is SB with A
A
3 folds, BTN raises to t390000, Hero raises to t845000, 1 fold, BTN calls t455000
Flop: (t1898000) Q
4 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t1898000, BTN calls t1898000
Turn: (t5694000) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t2160562 all in, BTN calls t1863111 all in
River: (t9420222) 9 (2 players – 2 are all in)
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April 6, 2010
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Not our favorite flop obviously, but i dont think I am ever folding. I guess we could check shove turn as an alternative?
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December 6, 2012
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3-bet is a bit small for being OOP, but I wouldn't go a lot bigger. I don't like your logic on the flop, nor your bet size. You are zeroing in on only one factor that affects your EV (what if he has a diamond and gets there?!) and treating it as though it is more important than all the others (getting called by worse, inducing bluffs and semi-bluffs, etc). None of this is about giving yourself room to get away from the hand and probably would not have changed the results here. When you have an overpair and SPR of 2.5, you shouldn't be looking to get away from your hand. You should, however, be looking to put the rest of your money in with the highest edge possible, and I don't think that potting the flop accomplishes that. While it may or may not cause Villain to fold a hand like As Jd, it will likely cause him to fold Th 9h, maybe even Kc Qc, and quite a few other hands you are crushing. In this case you probably just got unlucky to run into a huge flopped hand, but it's important to give yourself the opportunity to win big pots when you are ahead in order to offset big losses from scenarios like this one.
January 28, 2013
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Preflop: Given your stats on opponent, having seen him flat 3bs with KTo and being OOP this sizing is too small. If he is flatting wide (which he is) we want him to make more mistakes and flat hands he shouldnt be. Bigger sizing accomplishes more value from alot of his range.
Flop: Agree with Andrew as to sizing- PSB is way too big. This only leaves villain 1/3 PSB in his stack on the turn.
Am definitely not folding this.
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December 30, 2013
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Foucault said:
3-bet is a bit small for being OOP, but I wouldn't go a lot bigger. I don't like your logic on the flop, nor your bet size. You are zeroing in on only one factor that affects your EV (what if he has a diamond and gets there?!) and treating it as though it is more important than all the others (getting called by worse, inducing bluffs and semi-bluffs, etc). None of this is about giving yourself room to get away from the hand and probably would not have changed the results here. When you have an overpair and SPR of 2.5, you shouldn't be looking to get away from your hand. You should, however, be looking to put the rest of your money in with the highest edge possible, and I don't think that potting the flop accomplishes that. While it may or may not cause Villain to fold a hand like As Jd, it will likely cause him to fold Th 9h, maybe even Kc Qc, and quite a few other hands you are crushing. In this case you probably just got unlucky to run into a huge flopped hand, but it's important to give yourself the opportunity to win big pots when you are ahead in order to offset big losses from scenarios like this one.
all of this.
also, did i see he 3xed pre? and we have a read that Villain is a fish who has flatted 3b with KT? if so, im making this a lot pre. prob just north of 1M
March 23, 2014
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Thanks for all the feedback. In hindsight I didn't like the flop bet either. Unfortunately in game I gave it very little thought acted almost instantly on a 'protection' reaction. Definitely some good points on the 3 bet sizing pre.
I didn't think there was any getting away no matter how it was played but I just wasn't sure whether ICM is a consideration here even though it's not final table? 16th paid around $3k whereas FT is obviously 10k – 200k.
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