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March 24, 2016 - 1:52 pm

#Game No : 615513237
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 615513237 *****
$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #78498354 $4.50 + $0.50 – Table #10 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: borskii ( $9,666 )
Seat 2: sam_smb93 ( $6,735 )
Seat 3: eddiekhaan ( $3,728 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $10,442 )
Seat 5: nerodero ( $8,260 )
Seat 6: dunkeyk0ng ( $11,045 )
Seat 7: fnaked ( $8,786 )
Seat 9: Petre1991 ( $5,227 )
Seat 10: Graal1999 ( $9,476 )
borskii posts ante [$25]
Petre1991 posts ante [$25]
eddiekhaan posts ante [$25]
Graal1999 posts ante [$25]
fnaked posts ante [$25]
london_ace posts ante [$25]
dunkeyk0ng posts ante [$25]
nerodero posts ante [$25]
sam_smb93 posts ante [$25]
eddiekhaan posts small blind [$100]
london_ace posts big blind [$200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 8 spade , 6 spade ]
nerodero folds
dunkeyk0ng folds
fnaked folds
Petre1991 folds
Graal1999 folds
borskii folds
sam_smb93 calls [$200]
eddiekhaan calls [$100]
london_ace checks
** Dealing flop ** [ 5 spade , J spade , 6 diamond ] $825
eddiekhaan checks
london_ace checks
sam_smb93 bets [$200]
eddiekhaan folds
london_ace calls [$200]
** Dealing turn ** [ K heart ] $1,225
london_ace checks
sam_smb93 bets [$200]
london_ace calls [$200]
** Dealing river ** [ A heart ] $1,625
london_ace checks
sam_smb93 checks
** Summary **
london_ace shows [ 8s, 6s ]
sam_smb93 shows [ Jh, Th ]
sam_smb93 collected [ $1,625 ]

hey

I never had any reads on v.

thoughts on raising flop? or does anyone prefer calling?

cheers.

navinbits

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March 24, 2016 - 2:49 pm

I am not sure what raising the flop accomplishes here. You are going to be called by most hands that beat you on the flop, with the exception of a naked flush draw(which you beat with a pair). If button decided to limp(I can’t find a reason why a button would limp into an unopened pot), he is not folding anything he has paired up on the flop. Only hands that might call a raise on the flop and is behind are K5/A5, 22-44.

I am always irritated by players open-limping on the button, and with almost any hand, I will raise if I am in the blinds. Not sure how +EV that play is, but I can’t stand it laugh

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March 24, 2016 - 3:22 pm

navinbits said

I am always irritated by players open-limping on the button, and with almost any hand, I will raise if I am in the blinds. Not sure how +EV that play is, but I can’t stand it

I don’t see why, it’s much better for you as the BB than if they raise. Getting to see a free flop with hands too weak to call a raise is extremely valuable.

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March 24, 2016 - 3:38 pm

Andrew,

I find it is very hard to put them on a range when they limp. Whereas if I raise from the BB, I can send a message that I may have a strong hand since I raised where I can see a flop for no money. So, when I check on flops I miss, I might likely be able to see a turn card for free. And when I bet with J8s on a J high board on the flop or turn, villain might give me more credit for my kicker.

Bottomline is, I am yet to figure out an optimal way to play against open limpers from any position as I am not able to assign a good range.

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March 24, 2016 - 5:38 pm

You don’t have to put an opponent on a range in order to make a decision. If your opponent is playing well, it should be difficult to put him on a range. You’re going to have to learn how to handle situations where you don’t know what your opponent has, and just trying to arbitrarily bluff your way out of them isn’t the best response. You should raise many of your strongest hands for value, especially ones that will play well OOP when called. You should also raise some bluffs that will play well OOP when called. You should check many of your weakest hands as well as many medium-strength hands.

Rinse and repeat on the flop, turn, and river. Of course none of those steps is trivial, and there are lots of videos here designed to help you get better at each of them. But what I’ve outlined here should be the goal, rather than “figure out exactly what opponent has and then play accordingly” or “just keep betting and raising and hope that he folds”.

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