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531 entries with about 15 remaining. I have the chip lead by about ~25K. Had the chip lead for the last ~20 hands. I would say I was pretty active raising and c-betting in position. Showing hands like A7o to JJ.
Seat 1: bearcat1 ($44071.00)
Seat 3: adb23 ($55252.00) VILLAIN 18BB's
Seat 5: lyle48 ($94845.50)
Seat 6: AJ Dean ($26235.00)
Seat 7: IAMEDDIE ($34115.00)
Seat 8: KeK442 ($103820.75) HERO 34BB's
Seat 9: steadyshakes ($26740.00)
VILLAIN Stats thru 31 hands – VP-13%, PFR-6%, FoldBlindtoSteal-100%,
FoldtoC-bet-0/0, 3-bet 0% of 11 opportunities.
NEW HAND
Ante – $300
bearcat1: posts the small blind $1500.00
adb23: posts the big blind $3000.00
— DEALING POCKETS
KeK442 is dealt [9s,Kc]
lyle48: folds
AJ Dean: folds
IAMEDDIE: folds
KeK442: raises $3225.00 to $6225.00
steadyshakes: folds
bearcat1: folds
adb23: calls $3225.00
— DEALING FLOP [Jd,Kd,2h] POT – 14K
adb23: checks
KeK442: bets $5575.00
adb23: raises $12325.00 to $17900.00
POT – 37K, Villain has 31K behind.
I really don't think he has a better K (K10,KJ, K9)here and if he does he can't call a 4-bet shove. I would expect him to raise with (AK, KQ) pre. The flush draw is possible. I think it's best to 4-bet here and find out where we are at. I think only a shove is going to work.
Do we think we are ahead? Should we just fold and use our chip lead in a better spot? Folding leaves us with 30BB's and a top 3 stack. What do we do? What does he have?
The result of the hand is here. (Sorry could not get TPE hand converter to work)
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/3808340
Maybe pointless but interested in who played the hand worst? Personally I think his call pre is AWFUL.
KeK442
I don't think his raise is a bluff very often at all unless you have anything to suggest otherwise. He isn't re-raising weaker kings or smaller pairs. So I think he could have 2 pair (KJ or K2 given that you say he played it horribly preflop), a set of 2s or he was slowplaying a big hand pre and has AA, KK, JJ or AK (AK in here again as you suggested he played it badly pre). So I am almost always just folding here, you can't shove “to see where you are”, either you think you are ahead and commit or you fold and find a better spot. I prefer folding.
Having seen the hand now I agree he played it badly given his stacksize.
I don’t think his call pre is awful. he’s calling 3.2k with 49k ish behind so he’s getting 15/1 implied odds.
I agree it's not horrendous from the villain to call preflop but I think flatting is his worst option. It seems that his flat pre means he has given up another bb (so down to 16 now) in order to play this hand out of position. I prefer his play if he plans to move at the pot on any flop because he can't be sure of his implied odds if he hits as he doesn't know that he can get all the heros chips. He has an ideal resteal stack so I prefer for him to fold or shove preflop.
October 6, 2010
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after he raises, what do you really beat? tbh its really only the nfd (which has 12 outs) and possibly QT but even then QT might flat here because of the diamonds.
i think this makes it a pretty clear fold after your cbet, especially since we have the chip lead, and going from 34bb back down to 16bb would be horrendous for us here.
Thanks for input all…
Couple of things. I thought to set mine we should be ~25+ BBs deep. Also we should never put in more than 8% of our stack. Here the villain puts in ~20%. Also he’s getting 4:1 pre do we not need 8:1 in order to set mine effectively. If he has Q10 for the straight draw I do have a blocker with the 9. I understand it’s only one out but one more that he can’t hit.
So saying this… Is there an arguement here that can be made for raising a little bigger pre. I get the concept of the ‘mini’ raises and actually like doing it quite a bit. It’s definetly something that’s helped my game. On that note, if everyone at the table is doing the 2008 version of 3x pre should we be more inclined to follow suit or go 2.5 – 3.0. It seems that Bodog players are really behind on this concept.
KeK442
all the more reason to keep 2xing….the play on bodog is soft at best….and I WILL ship the nightly 10k there soon….as to the hand played why are you even involved with k – 9 off anyway…you have the chiplead and can certainly find better spots…as to how played, my cards are in the muck as fast as he re-raised me…..if you narrow his range after the re-raise, what can you beat? knowing that k-j is definately in his range as well as 22 and if he flatted with a hand like ax suited of diamonds you are not much better than 50-50 assuming that he doesn't have a-2 of diamonds in which case you are a dog in the hand….so far you only invested 4 bb and even that was a mistake imo….I hope you folded even without knowing the results…..GL CU in the 10k
October 6, 2010
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KeK442 said:
Thanks for input all…
Couple of things. I thought to set mine we should be ~25+ BBs deep. Also we should never put in more than 8% of our stack. Here the villain puts in ~20%. Also he's getting 4:1 pre do we not need 8:1 in order to set mine effectively. If he has Q10 for the straight draw I do have a blocker with the 9. I understand it's only one out but one more that he can't hit.So saying this… Is there an arguement here that can be made for raising a little bigger pre. I get the concept of the 'mini' raises and actually like doing it quite a bit. It's definetly something that's helped my game. On that note, if everyone at the table is doing the 2008 version of 3x pre should we be more inclined to follow suit or go 2.5 – 3.0. It seems that Bodog players are really behind on this concept.
KeK442
Thanks again. I shove (I know pretty horrible looking at it now) but if has the flush don’t we ‘want’ to get it in now. I’ve learned that I need to take a better look at what he has behind cause he’s not (or shouldn’t be) folding to a shove.
Guess I may still be part of the ‘soft/weak’ play on the site. Lol. Did end up getting 6th which was an improvement over 7th from the previous night in the same tourney.
Bigdave – you can find me in the 10k after I take down this 4k!
Good Luck at the tables all!!!
Seems to me that guy would call a 3x just the same as a 2x, as he doesn't have any stack size awareness (or very little). Not much you can do on that one…
July 3, 2010
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You're almost never ahead when he sticks in a normal sized raise and not a shove.
Hey Big Dave (and others)
I wanted to address the K-9 raise pre. I would think this is kinda standard considering chip count and position on the table being in the cut-off. Just curious why you don't like open with the K-9? Is there just too many gaps bewtween the K and the 9. I'm for sure folding to a shove, just trying to pick up the blinds and keep some of the aggreession up.
KeK442
I would think a very large majority of the time he would just be shoving the flop with his flush draws. It appears to be a monster to me by his raise size on flop with that stack size behind. Regardless its pretty obvious without looking at the results this villian is not very stack size aware at all. I'd fold to his raise on the flop but probably call a shove as I think a shove is much more weighted towards flush draws.
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