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September 15, 2015
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$5 BI, $1000 GTD
WPN, 1,500/3,000 blinds, 300 ante No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 6 Players
SB: 96,563 (32.2 bb)
Hero (BB): 64,693 (21.6 bb)
UTG: 286,242 (95.4 bb)
MP: 129,962 (43.3 bb)
CO: 155,600 (51.9 bb)
BTN: 107,942 (36 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3c 4c
2 folds, CO raises to 6,209, 2 folds, Hero calls 3,209
Flop: (15,718) 4d 5c As (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 6,522, Hero calls 6,522
Turn: (28,762) 9c (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 13,941, Hero raises to 51,662 and is all-in
OK here goes my first hand on the TPE forum. Strangely similar to a hand from the Thinking Poker podcast a few weeks ago.
I’ve only been at this table for about 20 hands. We’re nearing the bubble, about 3 elims away I believe. I’m not terribly concerned with getting my $5 back though so I’m looking to play if I have good odds to take a flop. Villain has only been at the table for 11 hands but has played about half of them so he’s been active and aggressive. He’s 3-bet once and cbet every street he’s been in the lead. Here he’s in the cutoff so I feel he has a pretty wide range.
Normally I would just lay this hand down but in the BB I’m getting nearly 4-1 on this call so I decide to take a flop with 34c.
Flop is pretty nice for us with a pair and gutshot to a wheel although he could well have an ace. V cbets about 40% pot. Perhaps I should have raised for more info but being that he seems pretty aggressive I’m not trying to build a big pot yet. If I pick up a club or 3 I plan to check shove the turn. If I hit the wheel or set of 4s I’m c/c the turn and leading out on the river. If it’s a brick I c/f.
Turn is 9c and V bets a little less than half the pot. I’m putting him on a weak ace, maybe A4 or A5 for 2 pair. With this club on the turn though I count 15 outs, maybe 18 if he only has one pair. I decide to go ahead with my plan and shove.
What do you think of this play? Should I just have called and seen the river? I would have been able to get away with 12 BB if the river bricks. Perhaps I should have shoved the turn rather than giving him better odds with the check shove but I felt I was at least repping 2 pair.
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August 4, 2015
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Thanks for posting!
I think the call pre is fine, but I may lean towards fold since we are so close to the money-bubble. I know you want to go FTW, everyone does, but I think not taking into account money bubbles and payjumps in your decisions is a big leak and will cost you lots of money in the long run. It doesn’t mean you need to fold everything but aces near the bubble, but it should factor into your decisions and cashing should be a priority when you’re near the bubble.
The flop is a call for sure. I like your play on the turn too. However, I think the villain’s range includes a lot more then weak aces. He may choose to bluff the flop and turn with a lot of hands since you shouldn’t have big aces when you just flat from the bb preflop with your stack. That’s why I like check-shoving with your strong draw, because I think the villain is folding to your raise a lot of the time.
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September 15, 2015
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Thanks for the input. You’re right about my read. I never pressed him for more info and had only seen a few hands from him. Unfortunately he called with A8d and the river bricked.
I still like the play with as many outs as I had. The check shove looks stronger than just jamming the turn straight away right?
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December 6, 2012
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Agree with SSSM. Few more things:
You should basically never do anything just to get information. What info exactly would raising the flop provide for you? How would that help you?
I don’t like your plan for if you improve your hand on the turn. What would you be trying to represent with this line? I think either donking or check-raising the turn would be better.
You also need to be careful about making such narrow reads. It’s rare that you’ll be able to put someone on something as specific as two-pair. Look what happens, you go from recognizing that this player will open wide in the cut-off (let’s say 30%), then you see that he c-bets this flop which he may well do with his whole range so that doesn’t narrow it down much (we’ll say 20% of the deck, to be generous), then he bets the turn again and suddenly he goes from having 20% of the deck to exactly Aces up? What happened to all those other hands he c-bet on the flop? You think he just gives up with them? You said yourself that he’d barreled at every opportunity in the hands you’d seen him play, and this is certainly a good spot for him to barrel.
I would shove here, not expecting him to fold any Ax, but expecting him to have plenty of non-Ax, and of course having reasonable equity against an Ace.
September 1, 2012
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You can’t really afford to check call turn. So up to you if you want to gamble or not by check shoving or check folding. Usually I do not like to give up the equity that you have, so probably I check shove, but I consider ICM sometimes.
We can of course make the decision easier by telling ourselves that he has bluffs in his range and we have fold equity, but I actually don’t think there are many bluffs here for most villians. Put yourself in the villains shoes – are you firing a second barrel on that turn card, which should be a blank for the villians range? I don’t think I would fire often there, even if I picked up equity with a flush draw.
So villians range is weighted to made hands and basically you are gambling if you check shove here so if you are fine with that go for it.
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December 6, 2012
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Saunders,
You don’t need a scare card to bluff, especially if your range is stronger than Hero’s to begin with. If you never bluff blanks, you make it too easy for Villain’s “call one” range to get to showdown. Here especially is a good spot for V to barrel (not necessarily with draws, because as you say he doesn’t want to face a shove) because Hero probably shoves most of his Ax pre-flop so a lot of Hero’s calling range will be 5x 4x maybe even Kx or draws that have a tough decision facing another bet.
September 1, 2012
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Hi Focault yes that all makes sense what you said.
I guess I was also considering villian’s sizing, it just does not look bluffy to me, on the flop he bets 40% flop then just under half pot turn. I feel bluffs will be bigger on the flop to really put pressure on hero’s marginal hands. I could be being naive but that’s what I’d expect. Thoughts?
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December 6, 2012
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I understand what you’re saying, and I guess it’s just up to you how comfortable you feel acting on that read/hunch in the games you play. The potential danger of folding more often to small bets than to large bets is pretty obvious, I think. With stacks being what they are and the board being relatively static because of the Ace, V’s sizing seems fine to me with bluffs. If he bets much bigger he won’t have room to fire three.
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