rip it in pre instead of flatting…

you only have 17bb, once you flat pre now you only have 15bb, whith such a huge hand flatting and folding to a squeeze is going to be a bad idea, and once someone squeezes your not going to have tons of FE and likely will have to hit a K or Q (no worries its stars nuts u win)….

usually with this stack size i am open ripping about all of my hands, and oncee someone opens it gives you the perfect spot to pile it in and pick up 4.5bb if everyone folds, this increase to your stack is OVER 25%,

this is a huge boost to our tourney life, even if someone calls we are in good shape to play a 60/40 vs the majority of their range

and i disagree with preflop J LUDE, i htink fold>pile>call….i hate 3 betting here personally, i am either folding or piling, if you 3 and SB or BB 4 you are sick, i would rather just ship it in OTP with my KQ if i was gonna play it here, its def a lot of BB to ship in but it eliminates everything the poeple behind you can do, and it also guarentees nobody gets funky with an AJ type hand…are you really ever 3 bet folding this hand anyways?

other than that i def agree with ur line analysis assuming both players in the pot are compitant, if the guy who jammes 17bb is a complete fish it could def still be a squeeze imo and i may be calling it off, but if both are compitant this is never a squeeze based on stack sizes looking uber strong

Jlude…….Don't you think that in many regards the UTG spot is the *new* button.  I have seen it SOOO often where people are opening super light from UTG…..simply because they shouldn't be light and it shows sooo much strength.  I am to the point now where I do not give UTG the tight range I use to, especially when I am playing against thinking players.

As far as the squeeze play, from what I have seen I assume these players are compitent and I know that they know they should be shoving their entire range with his 17 bb stack for all the reasons shawn described. 

I think he would be jamming 77+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A9o+,A5o-A2o,K9o+,QTo+,JTo+. 

OkieNGa said:

Jlude…….Don't you think that in many regards the UTG spot is the *new* button.  I have seen it SOOO often where people are opening super light from UTG…..simply because they shouldn't be light and it shows sooo much strength.  I am to the point now where I do not give UTG the tight range I use to, especially when I am playing against thinking players.

 

As far as the squeeze play, from what I have seen I assume these players are compitent and I know that they know they should be shoving their entire range with his 17 bb stack for all the reasons shawn described. 

 

I think he would be jamming 77+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A9o+,A5o-A2o,K9o+,QTo+,JTo+. 

i feel like the UTG being the button thing has come and gone already for the most part, that was happening well before Black Friday even, i think UTG ranges are tightening up again (while UTG+2 ranges may by loosening in my expeiriances)….while i think it could def be light sometimes i think id have to know a lot more about the villians to want to call this off based on these stack sizes…..if original opener had 30bb and this guy piled 17bb i think i am calling it off fwiw, but with these stack sizes im a little more careful and may lean towards the nit side of this one

Not that obvious of a shove spot from MP2 and a UTG raise and call. You have stats on villian that say he is uber tight. Too many Ax and pairs in his range to call and risk here.

I 3bet shovesky or fold pre. Because Im a nit, I probably fold. Only way I flat is to induce a squeeze and wouldn’t want this with this hand.