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April 25, 2015 - 8:06 pm
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Hey, got one thing, its actually from somewhere else where noone seemed to agree with me but did not offer any explanation either. Would like to here what you think of it, will post more, thoughts, and why I am interested in this later but want to get unbiased answers first.

As generally as possible: Midstakes online tourney (9max), early stages (no antes), new table, villain completely unknown, table average around 40 BB.

Hero (50 BB) raises 2.5x from MP

Villain (21 BB) calls on BTN

everyone else folds.

Flop: A76r

What hands (if any) do you or do you not cbet with?

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April 25, 2015 - 10:28 pm
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Hi.

I bet here my entire range. What sizing?

 

I usually like to know his TS stats… games..avrg buyin/profit etc.

 

If he is a reg I care a bit for balance and I increase the posibility for a slow played monster. I bet maybe 40% of the pot…

 

If he is a fish, being so short stack I want to VB small and if I don t hit the flop I bet 1 time like 55% of the pot and give up if called.

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The bottom of Villain's pre-flop calling range should be stronger than the bottom of your opening range, so you really shouldn't be able to get away with c-betting any two unless V is overly loose. Also this is a very static flop and effective stacks are quite shallow, so I think checking much if not all of your range is a pretty good idea.

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April 27, 2015 - 8:47 am
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Hi there

If the effective stack was around 50BB, I would bet 100% of the time, as there´s more Aces in the agressor range than in the caller´s range from the button.
However, I would be suspicious of betting here, as flatting pre-flop with 21BBs sounds either 1) trap 2) very weak player.

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Thanks for the responses and sorry for being late. There was a lot of good stuff in it. I selected this hand because I think at small stakes (against an unknown) you can cbet this profitably with pretty much your entire range as solmyr suggested. Why? Because ppl call too much pre and fold too much on the flop when they dont connect and a scare card is on the board. Also some aces are not so likely to call. I mean Im perfectly fine if ppl play it differently but I think its profitable with any two as long as you are not raising very loose yourself.

But I realize when you move up in stakes this doesnt work quite as well anymore as opponents play better and better use position and stack sizes. I am currently working on my cbetting ranges and different lines particularly in the 20-30 BB range.

As you mentioned villain is short here but not quite short enough so that he would have to play shove or fold and by cbetting it can easily put you in unfavorable spots with medium strength hands because you bloated the pot with a cbet.

Hero (50 BB) raises 2.5x from MP

Villain (21 BB) calls on BTN

everyone else folds.

Hero has QheartQdiamond

Flop (6.5 BB): Aheart7club6diamond

Hero bets 2.6 BB; BTN calls

Turn (10.7 BB): 4club

Hero? Villain has 16 BB behind

What if Hero checks and faces a small bet? Just give up?

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May 6, 2015 - 1:41 am
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This is a great example of a hand that really doesn't benefit from betting the flop. Mostly it loses the pot when called (because it is crushed by much of Villain's range, and even the floats that QQ is beating will bluff you out), and when Villain folds Hero had the best hand anyway. So, you'd like to check this hand.

The problem is that if you only check hands like this, you give away a lot of information about your holding and give Villain a lot of incentive to barrel a polarized range into your check. Now you have some incentive to check some stronger hands that will be happy to call multiple barrels. Some of these hands, like your weaker Ax, are in the same boat as QQ where they really don't gain that much from betting anyway.

But now Villain has little incentive to bluff, because you are checking only medium-strength and very strong hands. And if the flop goes check-check, you'll have a hard time getting value from your stronger hands on the turn, because you have only strongish hands in your range.

So now you have incentive to check some very weak hands on the flop as well, both to punish opponents who rarely bet when checked to and to punish opponents who fold too much on the turn after checking back flop. And again, because you really shouldn't be able to c-bet all of your air on this flop anyway, those hands don't have anything to lose by checking.

This is how you come to have a pretty wide checking range in this situation.

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