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This is more of a situation then a hand but there is a hand associated with it. I do understand the meaning of not donk betting but I'm really starting to wonder if there is a spot where at least we should consider it. One thing, I've notice is that the donk bet always seem to mean the same thing from the same person. For example, Player 1 always donks with botton pair, player 2 always donks with two pair, player 3 always donks with air (this is probably the most common)
Onto the hand. I can the post the acutally hand if needed but I think the situation is what is important here.
About 35 BB effective. Blinds are 300/150/XX. Folds around to the BTN who mini raises to 600. I'm in the BB with 9d7d. I decide to flat as I think the hand flops fairly well and he could be opening a wide range. Could make an arguement to 3 bet it as well. (which actually be better than donking) Flop comes Ad6d8h. I love my hand at this point. I do as I always do and he checks behind. The turn is a 7h. Now I have a pair to go with my draw. Not sure of the details how it went down but it 4 bet soved and called at this point. (we can argue weather or not we should be getting 35BB's in here later) He turns over 9T and the river brings Qh.
Hand Summary
Blinds – 300/150/xx
35 BB's effective (my stack, he had like ~41))
9d7d
BTN Mini Raises
I call FLOP Ad6d8h
Check,Check (my plan was to check raise here)
TURN 7h
Player ends up allin
Now onto the point of the topic. Should we consider donk betting here? His range for opening is probably fairly large. We can bet to get him to fold gut shot draws, maybe bottom pair. If he (she) calls, we have outs to get there. If he (she) raises we still have enough equity in the hand to continue. Maybe even 3bet to a raise since donk lead is suppose to be weak and all the equity we have.
Just curious if there is not at least some spots where maybe a donk bet could be used and what other spots we might consider it…?
Thanks / GL
KeK442
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i guess looking at cbet % is a good idea, as against someone who doesnt cbet alot then donk/3bet shove seems like a fine line, otherwise if they have a really high cbet % (vast majority of players) then check/raising or shoving is a better line in general.
Also donking with nut hands in a multiway pot is usually a good idea
anyone feel free to correct me
I understand that you are trying to get a point across here but I feel like there is a big flaw in this particular scenario. This is definitely a 3bet or fold pre. 150/300 with antes and you have 35bb's effective vs a BTN open……3bet him dude, the money in the pot is worth it and if he does flat we are cbetting all day and he will fold a majority of the time, including those gut shot hands that you are describing here. Be the agressor and the better player here.
Now to address your actual question. The donk lead can be used in particular scenarios but you need to know why you are doing it and have a plan. One of the best times to do it is for value in a multi-way pot when you are oop and flop a set on A high flop and your opponents are likely to have top pair of some sort and you feel like they will give you action. There are other scenarios but they are scarce, you have to know what you are trying to accomplish and what opponents will range you.
So let's say we do raise. I assume we're snap foling to a 4-bet? At that point we've taken a hand (yes I know it only 9d7d) and may not be able to play it. It does have good equity against his raising range though right? We are just assuming that he his going to fold to most 3 bets and only 4 bet with a tighter range.
Back to the point, I guess since the PFR came from a late position opener I would be more likly to start thinking about donk leading. Anyone in EP I'd be checking to because they are more likly to have the A (or at least repping one) I'm just trying to get a different thought out there to see what people think and see how flawed my thinking is… 🙂
Thanks for the comments….
October 6, 2010
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KeK442 said:
So let's say we do raise. I assume we're snap foling to a 4-bet? At that point we've taken a hand (yes I know it only 9d7d) and may not be able to play it. It does have good equity against his raising range though right? We are just assuming that he his going to fold to most 3 bets and only 4 bet with a tighter range.
definitely folding to a 4bet.
a hand like 97dd does play OK against a raisign range, but not well enough that we can flat for value. i think we need to 3bet a hand like this because the extra equity picked up when villain folds is enough to make this +EV (or at least less -EV for the hand)
the big advantage from 3betting a hand like this is that it sets up our image nicely – because we have hands like this in our 3betting range, we are much more likely to get action when we 3bet our monster hands.
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