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Can I Get a 3-Bet Shove Lesson?

wager9

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October 25, 2015 - 11:27 pm

Live Tournament – $350 Buy-In – 100k Guarantee

ANTE: 1200-2400-300

Stacks: Mine is 41k…BOTH V1 and V2 have me covered easily. They are 2 big stacks at table.

V1: 50 yr old African Doctor. Plays sneaky. Limps with pretty much his whole range. He tries to trap with his big hands and also will pick bad spots to call down on gutshots, open enders, etc. He has been getting hit with the deck. He probably plays 40% of his hands and only raises like 5% of them…position doesn’t seem to matter to him as he plays strong and drawing hands anywhere.

V2: 45 yr old white woman. Plays TAG ish but I have seen her make some off the wall moves pre-flop with trash and then show to try and develop a scrappy image I guess. She seems skittish most of the time though when pots get big and she doesnt have the NUTS. I did 3-bet shove on her about 30 mins prior with 20bb and she folded.

My Image: TAG but pretty active. I have not shown down anything bad. Aggressive.

My intention in this post: I have been trying to incorporate more of a 3-bet shove strategy with 15-22 BB in these MTTs. I would like to hear your opinions as to whether this is a good, bad, marginal, or terrible spot to do this, and why, of course. If you would ever 3-bet shove here, what would be your range for doing so?

the Hand: folds to V1 who LIMPS in CO. V2 raises to 6500 on BTN. I am in SB and 3-bet shove with A7. BB (who is a NIT) Folds.

Thank you for your thoughts

joelshitshow

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October 26, 2015 - 3:17 pm

If you knew V1 would flat, you have good odds to flat here and reevaluate on the flop. You’d still have 15 bigs behind, and the blinds have just gone through you. Are the levels short? Having a 1200-2400 is promising because some go straight from 1000-2000 to 1500-3000. Of course, if the levels are 20 minutes, it doesn’t matter so much.

I’m curious what her reaction will be because you’ve already 3-bet shoved on her. Also, does it mean anything that she’s raising over a limper vs opening? Is she aware enough to know the blinds will probably fold if she raises? Is a 2.7x raise over a limp standard at this table or for her?

I would probably shove unless I knew V1 would flat or fold. If it were just V2 in the pot, I would shove.

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October 27, 2015 - 12:09 pm

Shoving doesn’t seem bad here if you think V2 has a fairly wide raise/fold range. Shoving is certainly way better than flatting – flatting at these stacks OOP against two players isn’t really an option.

My only real concern here is that there’s a fair likelihood V1 has a number of hands in his limping range that may consider calling your shove – hands like 88 or AT. I think shoving over the raise protects you from him thinking you’re too weak, but he may call anyway.

Even if that’s the case, though, having decent fold equity over V2 should make the shove profitable here – the only question is how confident you can be that you actually have it. If you haven’t seen V2 raise versus V1’s limp before, I think this might be a little thin. Many weaker players have very tight raising ranges when there are limpers ahead, and will limp behind all mediocre hands and only raise strong ones.

As regards adopting a 3-bet shoving strategy with 15-22bb, this is often essential. Get yourself a copy of HoldemResources Calculator and run some numbers – that will teach you to play these spots effectively.

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