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October 30, 2013
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I am new to MTT's, been playing cash for the last 12 years…only live games. I am moving overseas and decided to step my MTT game up before I go…since my current career won't cut it there. This is my first year actually playing MTT's and I only play live.
We are at a live Tourney in South Florida, $150 buyin, $50 bounties, $150k guaranteed. Very soft field as usual. I'm playing an extremely tight and conservative game so far, always showing the nuts or second nuts…bluffing very rarely and not getting called on any bluffs. Average stack at this point is 18-22k…I have 33k….blinds are 250/500 with 50 antes
I have a pretty good image at this point and right before this exact hand, an aquiantance that I have some history with sits 2 seats to my left. He is a solid player and is definitely thinking on different levels, he's taken down a few MTT's that I know of just in the past 6 months…his style is very Strong-loose Hyper-Agressive…a little fun fact, he sits down 145k, 290 BB.
I'm UTG+2 and I limp in with Ac-Jc, my thoughts here was that BB was short with 12BB and most likely shoving, (he's shoved 2x before) which I would snap off and I would flat almost every other raise to see a flop. Nobody has been making any raises more than 4-5x so far.
My aggressive friend to my left limps in, everyone else folds and the BB just checks his option. Flop comes 8c-4c-6d…BB leads out 3,000, leaving himself with 3,800…I take 30 seconds to act and raise to 8,000 with my Nut flush draw and 2 overs….my friend SNAP shoves ALL-IN and the BB insta-mucks coming back to me….
In a cash game this was and is an easy decision for me, however in an MTT I had a really tough time making this decison…I could use some guidance from you pros and more experienced players, since this to me is a reoccuring theme.
Thanks and I truly appreciate any feedback, hopefully honest and helpful.
November 22, 2013
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Finally another live player 🙂
What do you think the likelihood of your friend showing up with 5-7 or a set is here? I can see a player with a stack that large overlimping with 5-7s, I definitely can see that. 44, 66, or 88 is also certainly in his range. On the flop once the BB makes a committing raise, and you reraise, your friend has to believe that he will be called by at least one of you. However, on the other hand, I can definitely see how someone who thinks on the 3rd level could be bluffing here with a big stack. Actually, it is a very good spot to bluff simply because of how strong it looks. That's a difficult flop to make a pair on and he could very easily putting you on a flush draw. If he makes a small reraise you will simply call or shove yourself. Therefore, if he bluffs he basically has to make it all in. The auto-shove and the fact that it is all-in make me a little suspicious as that is not very consistent with people who flop a monster. On the other hand, again if he is thinking on the 3rd level maybe he realizes you will take his unusual action as a bluff, when he is holding a monster. Still if he knows that you value your tournament life he may believe he can take you off a flush draw, which is your most likely holding. That's the thing about good players, its really hard to put them on a hand as they could really have anything form a straight, a set, and a sicko could show up with a stone cold bluff. I would discount the overs at this point tbh and would calculate the pots odd based solely on the draw. Given that assumption, it’s borderline. I would still call anyway but I wouldn’t be surpised if you got it in bad here. If he really is a sicko I wouldn't be surprised with a bluff either. All of this is to stay that I'm not really clear where you stand because his actions were non-standard, but I wouldn’t fold a nut flush draw with those odds. I’m kinda of a gambooler early to midstages of these sorts of tournaments because my belief is that you need a big stack to make a deep run. I would call, and if he stacked me, I would just rebuy.
March 11, 2013
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You have to call about 24.5k to win over 45k, so good odds. The problem is that with the limping pre, it seems that your friend can have a lot of hands that have you soundly beat. He can have sets, and two pair, but it’s harder for him to have draws that you are beating like king-hi flush draws, simply because if he had a hand like KcJc he probably would have brought it in for a raise, and of course he can’t have the Ac, so the number of times he has a worse draw than you is I would think cut down. For the same reason, he likely brings in any overpair for a raise, so we gotta discount those hands. So in likelihood we have to give more weight to the hands that have you solidly beat like sets, two pair, and against those hands you should fold.
So I’d fold, nitty as that sounds. To get the real answer, pokerstove your friends true range, since you know him best, and figure out if you’re getting the right calling price.
October 30, 2013
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Real good advise from the both of you, you both hit it right on the money. I'm not familiar with Pokerstove but I'll check it out. Thanks for taking the time to leave some good advise!
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December 6, 2012
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ATrainBoston said:
You have to call about 24.5k to win over 45k, so good odds. The problem is that with the limping pre, it seems that your friend can have a lot of hands that have you soundly beat. He can have sets, and two pair, but it's harder for him to have draws that you are beating like king-hi flush draws, simply because if he had a hand like KcJc he probably would have brought it in for a raise, and of course he can't have the Ac, so the number of times he has a worse draw than you is I would think cut down. For the same reason, he likely brings in any overpair for a raise, so we gotta discount those hands. So in likelihood we have to give more weight to the hands that have you solidly beat like sets, two pair, and against those hands you should fold.
So I'd fold, nitty as that sounds. To get the real answer, pokerstove your friends true range, since you know him best, and figure out if you're getting the right calling price.
Not having actually stoved it myself, this sounds right to me. I don't think there's any chance of Villain being on a pure bluff, because BB is never folding.
FWIW I'm not a fan of Hero's flop raise size. Any raise is going to commit you against the BB, so making it 8K instead of 6K just causes you to lose an extra 2K on the occasions that the third player wakes up with a hand.
October 30, 2013
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Hey Andrew, I didn't know that was you…I listen to you and Nate religously, thanks for stopping by and everyone was right. My “friend” was actually trying to save me money by shoving there…he had top set, snapped me off and we're on to the next one.
Andrew it's because of your podcast that I decided to implement my cash game back into my business, I was listening to you one day and you really emphasized the importance of playing cash in order to bankroll MTT's…anyhow since then I've really stepped up my game. I read a few good books, started tracking my wins/losses and I've been crushing it for the past 2 months. Now winning is not something new to me in cash, but it's the confidence I have and the system that I have in place which allows me to cash consistently…I read a great book by Rob Tucker, “Playing No-Limit Hold'em as a business” The guy is a total NIT, but he strikes some great points about playing cash for a living and it really hit home for me…Keep putting out a good show, I listen to you everyday on my ride to the casino…Thanks again Andrew!
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