September 12, 2015
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
7 Players
$1.36+$0.14
Blinds 60/120 7
UTG Kosa-Bhay 3,170
UTG+1 sevrusl 1,330
MP ekbMoHaPx 1,216
CO Hero 4,370
D Cris155s 1,540
SB reno198651 1,965
BB nik2080 3,702
7 285 Hero is CO A J
Kosa-Bhay raises to 360, 2 folds, Hero calls 360, 3 folds
2 1,005 T 8 3
Kosa-Bhay checks, Hero checks
2 1,005 4
Kosa-Bhay checks, Hero bets 472, Kosa-Bhay calls 472
2 1,949 6
Kosa-Bhay bets 1,080, Hero goes all-in 3,523, Kosa-Bhay goes all-in 1,243
Hero shows high card Ace A J
Kosa-Bhay shows high card King K Q
Hero wins 7,795 (net +3,425)
Kosa-Bhay lost 3,170
December 30, 2015
Hi,
Do you know anything about the villain here?
What range of hands would you put him on on the river?
1. I think I fold AJo preflop most of the time since the original raiser is UTG and I want to avoid situations where I hit strong and am still behind.
2. I’d probably bet the flop when check-ed to. I think you get more information this way and are more likely to win the pot. If you get called you can safely and cheaply assume V has some piece of the flop: a draw, weak T, second-pair, a set, two-pair, over-cards, etc. You may still be able to win with another bet if checked to on the turn, but if you get called again or check-raised you can weight V’s hands towards the stronger side of hands.
I think it is important to think about what your actions look like to your opponent too. When you check behind I think you either have nothing or maybe a second-pair type hand, are pot controlling with a weak T or draw (though I’d bet some draws too) or have an absolute monster and don’t want to scare me away. When you check and then bet the turn, it looks like you are trying to steal or have some weaker hands (not a bad thing. I’ll often bet when I’m checked to twice). Of course you can have a monster still and want to look weak to get more value. Considering what V does on the river I think he believes he can bet you off a weak hand, like a pair of 3s or 4s or A-high. Not a bad play in isolation.
Honestly, the way this plays out it seems like everyone is making it up as they go along (more reaction than plan). I’m not sure I buy anyone’s line here. Please don’t take offence at my bluntness. If you both knew each other well this could be a level war, but that only happens in specific read-driven situations. The less read I have the more straightforward I think I have to be. I’m sure I’ve handed away as many chips as I’ve won making hero calls and I’m sure most of the times I was wrong it was because I was trying to act without enough of a read.
November 18, 2014
I’m with MovieFX on this too. The whole hand does make little sense to me.
I don’t see what you are betting on the turn that you weren’t betting on the flop, even TT or 88 should be looking at building the pot and aware of the diamond flush draw, no reason to check back that flop. The card on the turn doesn’t really change anything unless you had exactly 44… still after him checking twice I don’t hate you taking a stab at the pot.
On the river the action is non sense. He bets over half pot and you PILE?? What hands you don’t win by calling do you expect to fold? He may fold AK but I don’t think he would be betting half the pot with AK too often, the problem is his bet doesn’t really make a lot of sense given the whole hand… and his call is just horrendous… The thing is I’m never expecting him to call your shove with worse (even if it did happen I’d say that happens once in a blue moon) so you may as well just call.
December 30, 2015
A good point. Just to go a bit deeper on V’s ranges. I think when V checks the flop you can probably remove all top-pairs. On the turn you can remove all sets and 2-pair that were checking the flop to trap since the draw heavy board is just too wet to check twice (and probably too wet to check once, but that is another story).
After that I think my initial post stands. I’d put you both on weak hands or draws. Normally I would say this could be a good spot to try and buy the pot, but the problem is there isn’t really anything to represent that makes sense. What did you put him on that caused you to shove rather than just call on the river?
I can’t believe he called either. If this were live the hand would be followed by the most awkward silence ever while V quietly walks away from the table, followed by a collective “huuuuuuuhhhhh?” by the whole table. Hah.
December 30, 2015
True. Tx (especially combo-draws) or T/A (blocker / backdoor flush draw) may check. I just think it is more rare to have a top pair with the betting lead check on such a wet board. Wouldn’t V either be missing some protection/value while ahead or building a pot with an equity-lead? What would a check be designed to do? Even if V isn’t worried about loosing due to scare-cards they could still scare Hero and kill action, right?
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