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Call or fold river?
hawkeyeK9
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April 15, 2012 - 1:53 pm
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Merge Network $4,500 Guaranteed Deepstack Freezeout No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t30.00/t60.00 Blinds – 9 players
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climbr (UTG): t3914.00 65.23 BBs
FoIILL (UTG+1): t2605.00 43.42 BBs
knicker111 (UTG+2): t5107.00 85.12 BBs
norcal83 (MP1): t3725.00 62.08 BBs
PingPongPokaPlaya (MP2): t3459.00 57.65 BBs
kindglands (CO): t11149.00 185.82 BBs
342fitter (BTN): t3900.00 65 BBs
PERPECT11 (SB): t4081.00 68.02 BBs
Hero (BB): t5240.00 87.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BB with 4 of hearts 5 of hearts
2 folds, knicker111 raises to t120.00, norcal83 calls t120, PingPongPokaPlaya calls t120, 1 fold, 342fitter calls t120, 1 fold, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t630) T of hearts 3 of diamonds 6 of hearts (5 players)
Hero checks, knicker111 checks, norcal83 checks, PingPongPokaPlaya checks, 342fitter checks

Turn: (t630) 2 of diamonds (5 players)
Hero bets t370.00, knicker111 calls t370, norcal83 folds, PingPongPokaPlaya folds, 342fitter calls t370

River: (t1740) 9 of hearts (3 players)
Hero checks, knicker111 bets t1220.00, 342fitter calls t1220, Hero?

Knicker is LAG running 27/17 over 114 hands and no real reads on 342fitter but seems on the TAG side.

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April 15, 2012 - 8:13 pm
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definitely not folding, but i dont see much value in raising. AKhh and AQhh are definitely in knicker111's range, but your line so far looks kinda weak, so it wouldnt surprise me if knicker was stabbing at river and 342fitter was calling with a weak top pair hand like T8 or even T9 for that matter

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April 15, 2012 - 11:20 pm
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bennymacca said:

definitely not folding, but i dont see much value in raising. AKhh and AQhh are definitely in knicker111's range, but your line so far looks kinda weak, so it wouldnt surprise me if knicker was stabbing at river and 342fitter was calling with a weak top pair hand like T8 or even T9 for that matter

Agreed.  I would have to think knicker is cbetting that flop with AKhh and AQhh to build the pot and thin out the field a bit.  Call 100%.

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April 16, 2012 - 5:00 am
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as played snap.

But what is your intention on the flop? Are you trying to c/R or are you trying to see a cheap turn. In such a multiway pot I don't believe the original openraiser is going to c-bet a lot and the others are probably not going to bet a whole bunch either. I would try to build the pot and just donk on the flop, as I am getting calls from some TP or weaker hands, which would probably not bet otherwise. Furthermore you take control and improve your chance of taking the pot down without relying on hitting. Then on the turn you can go to value town hard, as the 2 doesn't improve your preceived range at all i would think.

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April 16, 2012 - 10:23 am
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snap, ranges on opponents are top pairs, mid pairs,2prs, and straights. im probably thin valuing river as well. imo the reason you've seen no raising, is you opponents are sweating flush, not embracing it. This one of those hands u can layout your value and get both to call if u get shoved on u can safely fold to a higher flush. No one is shoving over u leading into two people on this board. U can also take the chk call line

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Funnnuraba said:

as played snap.

But what is your intention on the flop? Are you trying to c/R or are you trying to see a cheap turn. In such a multiway pot I don't believe the original openraiser is going to c-bet a lot and the others are probably not going to bet a whole bunch either. I would try to build the pot and just donk on the flop, as I am getting calls from some TP or weaker hands, which would probably not bet otherwise. Furthermore you take control and improve your chance of taking the pot down without relying on hitting. Then on the turn you can go to value town hard, as the 2 doesn't improve your preceived range at all i would think.

donk leading flop against LAG villian who has position on me when I only have a weak draw at that point does not seem optimal.

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April 16, 2012 - 1:42 pm
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acutally love the way u played flop and turn. Just curious though bro..”weak” draw? lol imo this is a fricken MONSTER draw..what more could u want for your given cards? if u flop the flush, well theres a good chance someone beats u by river w another heart. With no Aces, Kings,Queens, your action is probably gonna be killed, etc..but on the flop, this is gin broski..

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April 16, 2012 - 1:54 pm
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HAHAHA. Definitely gin for my hand. I just call pre with awesome pot odds and its super early. I say weak because of my high card to the flush. Picking apart my words bro. kiss

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lol really wasnt trying to do that!! but u said weak draw! I'm like HUH!! lol

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