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hapetimes

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February 9, 2012 - 10:22 pm

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3000/t6000 Blinds + t750 – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Houndddog (UTG+1): BB = 8.7, t52404
peare111 (MP1): BB = 11.7, t70342
izakim (MP2): BB = 67.9, t407494
Steleo (CO): BB = 4.1, t24772
estilispelu (BTN): BB = 25.7, t154403
Portaluppi.7 (SB): BB = 36.8, t220988
Hero (BB): BB = 58.5, t350710
CassiusKlay (UTG): BB = 27.3, t163930

Pre Flop: (t15000) Hero is BB with 4 of diamonds 4 of spades
2 folds, peare111 raises to t18000, 4 folds, Hero calls t12000

Flop: (t45000) 6 of diamonds 5 5 of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t114000, peare111 calls t51592 all in

Turn: (t148184) T of diamonds (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t148184) T of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

Villain literally just sat down at the table

If i treat this as an open shove is this a call?

emufart

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February 9, 2012 - 10:26 pm

Villiain only has 12bbs, therefore I think you have to decide now if you're ahead of his range or not. Shove or fold pre IMO.

I would probably lean towards folding. Looks pretty strong raising 3bbs from 12bb stack.

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February 9, 2012 - 10:43 pm

emufart said:

Villiain only has 12bbs, therefore I think you have to decide now if you're ahead of his range or not. Shove or fold pre IMO.

I would probably lean towards folding. Looks pretty strong raising 3bbs from 12bb stack.

pretty much this – decision has to be made preflop, because there are NO boards you are going to like except when you flop a set or it comes 235 or something like that, and even then you would be worried about an overpair.

i think this is a fold pre

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February 9, 2012 - 11:08 pm

oh wow i didnt even realise i played the hand like this guys

i thought this guy has essentially shoved pre

then i thought if i was going to play i should just shove or fold pre

then this happened lol – i dont recall what i was thinking but my question to come out of this hand is

“if this guy shoved 11bbs pre, do we call with 44?”

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February 10, 2012 - 2:42 am

hapetimes said:

oh wow i didnt even realise i played the hand like this guys

i thought this guy has essentially shoved pre

then i thought if i was going to play i should just shove or fold pre

then this happened lol – i dont recall what i was thinking but my question to come out of this hand is

“if this guy shoved 11bbs pre, do we call with 44?”

44 has like 45% equity against the top 20% of hands. but i highly doubt randoms shove properly so maybe shave off some of the hands. so if we adjust the range to be like 22+, A5s+, A9+, QTs+, KJ+ which is around 16% of the hands….we still have 44% or so. need to call like 64k to win 85k. makes it 42% thereabouts. so its slightly +ev assuming my ranges are somewhat accurate. theoritically, not much difference in equity when you lay 44 up against overcards. for instance, its 51/49 against AKs and 50/50 against Q9s and like 51/49 against 76o.

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