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Bvb Spot - Am i calling down correctly?
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October 20, 2018 - 2:42 pm
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***** Hand History for Game 17844288538 *****
NL Texas Hold’em $5.50 USD Buy-in Trny:186462301 Level:42 Blinds-Antes(9.5K/19K -2.35K) – Tuesday, October 16, 00:21:22 BST 2018

Table Bounty Hunter. $3K Gtd [Mix-Max, Turbo] (186462301) Table #44 (Real Money)

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6

Seat 5: GANpro ( 98,668 )
Seat 1: IMALIKOJACI ( 387,258 )
Seat 6: Igorek0128 ( 1,580,106 )
Seat 3: Ozymandias78 ( 436,208 )
Seat 2: PuffMagicDragon ( 252,704 )
Seat 4: ScotFish89 ( 405,065 )

Trny:186462301 Level:42
Blinds-Antes(9,500/19,000 -2,350)
IMALIKOJACI posts ante [2,350]
PuffMagicDragon posts ante [2,350]
Ozymandias78 posts ante [2,350]
ScotFish89 posts ante [2,350]
GANpro posts ante [2,350]
Igorek0128 posts ante [2,350]
Ozymandias78 posts small blind [9,500].
ScotFish89 posts big blind [19,000].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ScotFish89 [ Kc 6c ]
GANpro folds
Igorek0128 folds
IMALIKOJACI folds
PuffMagicDragon folds
Ozymandias78 raises [34,200]
ScotFish89 calls [24,700]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Ks, Jh ]

Ozymandias78 bets [57,000]
ScotFish89 calls [57,000]

** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
Ozymandias78 bets [104,500]
ScotFish89 calls [104,500]

** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Ozymandias78 is all-In [228,658]
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
ScotFish89 is all-In [197,515]

Ozymandias78 shows [ Qh, 3h ]high card King.
ScotFish89 shows [ Kc, 6c ]a pair of Kings.
Ozymandias78 wins 31,143 chips from the side pot 1 with high card, King.
ScotFish89 wins 819,530 chips from the main pot with a pair of Kings.

This is one of those blind vs blind spots I find quite challenging, as the ranges are so wide that it always feels like I’m being a calling station. 

Thoughts on this hand? Thoughts on how I should approach this, as my thinking is quite simplistic often, i.e. hit top pair? call down. hit 2nd pair? call 2 streets type of thinking. 

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What style has villain been employing. Is he a rock? Is he a spew? Does he bluff a lot? Does he only bet when he has it? Need more info.

Once you have answered the above questions, then the next step is to assign villain ranges pre flop and then at each street based upon what you know about him from game flow as well as in the information you are getting from him as he bets on every street.

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I definitely need to take 30 mins at somepoint so I can run it through with some actual range-building, too often I’m guilty of being lazy and posting it in the forums in the hope someone else will do it for me laugh

No reads posted because I only have 35hands with him, and he has been solidly unremarkable, so looking more at a GTO perspective here, or at best an approach that exploits typical villains at $5-$11 buyin level. 

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rppoker said
What style has villain been employing. Is he a rock? Is he a spew? Does he bluff a lot? Does he only bet when he has it? Need more info.

Once you have answered the above questions, then the next step is to assign villain ranges pre flop and then at each street based upon what you know about him from game flow as well as in the information you are getting from him as he bets on every street.  

It would certainly be nice to have this info, but you don’t “need” it. In fact, you typically won’t have it, and you need to know how to make decisions without it.

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Scot,

You’re right that these blind vs blind spots can be quite tricky. I’d recommend at the very least starting with something like Flopzilla and just getting a sense of what your range will look like on the flop (note that this doesn’t require making any assumptions about the opponent’s range). The goal should be to have some hands that call and some that fold at each decision point, and the proportions of these ranges should be determined by the size of your opponent’s bet. The bigger he bets, the larger your folding range should be.

Your flop range should include most if not all pairs (some pocket pairs, especially 22 – 44, could be folds) plus the obvious draws and some floats that would mostly be backdoor draws like 76dd. Your folds will be all the hands that just whiffed entirely.

When you face another bet on the turn, your range is much stronger than it was on the flop, so you need to find the “new bottom”. This will mostly be the worst pairs you called the flop with and backdoor draws that didn’t improve. Some of these could be bluff raises as well, depending on how many value raises you could have.

On the river, it will be the same process again, folding the “new bottom” of your range and calling everything else. So what you describe (call two streets with second pair, call three with top pair) is broadly correct, though the details matter a lot depending on the board, whether draws get there, etc. Keep in mind that you’ll often be raising your stronger hands, so it will be hard for you to have stuff like sets and two pair on the river. That means any top pair will probably be close enough to the top of your rnage to call, at least if you’re trying to play unexploitably.

Now, you may believe that the typical small stakes player drastically underbluffs this spot, but that’s a judgment call for you to make. I think it’s good to have an idea of what your default would be and also how much of a deviation from the default it would be to fold this particular hand. It would be a pretty big deviation IMO, which doesn’t make it wrong necessarily but does mean that you need a lot of confidence in your read.

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