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Bottom Two otf, on FT 4handed
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May 7, 2017 - 9:47 pm
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Hello!

Played this hand on FT last week, I did not see mistakes on this one, but a friend said I played it incorrectly, because we were way too deep… he plays poker twice a week for few years now, so it get me thinking, but I still would play like this again.

Read on the V: When we were 7handed, I had him covered, I raise BTN with A5o, he called AKo on BB, we check down 59Jr x x, none of us improved. So I take V for passive player, the short stakes had about 20bb I think, not that short at the time;
When we were at 5hdd I folded ATo and 55 for his 3bet, he had more chips now, but not CL, and I started to assume he was starting to play a wide range;
Last 10 hands of this one he was involved on about 6 or 7 of them, raising pre flop, and barreling few times after the flop, no showdown tow.

Merge, $11 Buy-in (8,000/16,000 blinds, 1,600 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 556,080 (34.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 582,735 (36.4 bb)
CO: 830,119 (51.9 bb)
BTN: 551,066 (34.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8club 9club
CO raises to 32,000, BTN folds, SB calls 24,000, Hero calls 16,000

Flop: (102,400) Kheart 8spade 9diamond (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 51,200, SB folds, Hero calls 51,200

Turn: (204,800) 3diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 136,533, Hero calls 136,533

River: (477,866) 2club (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 608,786 and is all-in, Hero calls 361,402 and is all-in

Results: 1,200,670 pot
Final Board: Kheart 8spade 9diamond 3diamond 2club
Hero showed 8club 9club and lost (-582,735 net)
CO showed 8diamond 8heart and won 1,200,670 (617,935 net)

I delayed some time to call flop and turn, I was trying to make him think I was affraid to call, or calling on a weak draw or something.

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May 8, 2017 - 8:16 am
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I think what got you into trouble here is calling the flop. I’d assume you intended to slow play your 2 pair, but there are several reasons for check-raising the flop.

– get value from Kx, straight draws

– protect against bad cards on turn/river – I’d consinder Ax-Tx as bad turns since villain could make stronger 2pair combos

If the villain shoves your check-raise it would protect you also from better hands than yours (although there are not many better hands since you block 8s & 9s. 

Turn & river play is fine for me, I would do the same.

I don’t think you’ve made a big mistake, I’m fine with the line you played, you just got unlucky running into better hand.

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I think check-raising and check-calling flop are both valid lines, but I would check-jam turn every time here. It’s going to look so much like you have a pair+draw type hand, and villain is never folding Kx. You get additional value out of some 2-barrels, but you don’t leave yourself in a river bluff-catch spot. Calling off your stack at a FT isn’t a great spot ICM-wise even if you do have a strong hand, but I think once you get to this point it’s hard to fold.

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This is a hand I have in my donking range since it is slightly vulnerable.  We know what we’re doing if he re-raises.  If he folds it’s fine since we should have hands that aren’t this good we’re donking as well.  I’m just looking to get chips in obviously.  Ranges are wide here and we’re just beating so much of his range here… Even if he have him opening tight tight.  I just checked the spoiler and we just ran into it… I’m perfectly fine losing all my chips here.

 

If we put this into flopzilla with a 9% range our hand is best 94.78% of the time.  As we widen his range… Because of this flop we are actually slightly worse but nothing to concern ourselves with. 

 

Question to TheGinger if he reads this… What hands are you donking if not this?  CHEERS!

clubdiamondheartspade  

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Probably just don’t want to have a donking range in this spot at all. Most of your range will be happy to play smaller pots at the final table, so there really isn’t much you’d want to donk. I don’t agree that this hand is particularly vulnerable, especially not to a checking range. I’d expect the hands with the most outs to bet the flop, so check-raising would still be better than donking. I like check-raise better than check-call, but it can’t be a big difference. Still, I worry when it looks like people are just reflexively slowplaying strong hands, because that’s not a good default. There’s no point where you should be thinking about folding this, if that’s the question here. 

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I dont hate your line given that this player has been aggressive for 6 of the last 7 hands where he’s had the big stack. If you think he will triple barrel Kx and some bluffs, your line is great and you have a perfect hand for it since 2 pair blocks better hands… like a set on eights. Hate it when that happens, but well played.

 

Basically, do whatever is likely to get all the money in. You basically have the nuts.

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