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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 643533554
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 643533554 *****
$150/$300 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #63774995 $3.60 + $0.40 – Table #30 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Titford ( $4,025 )
Seat 2: pejic25 ( $8,486 )
Seat 3: richi56 ( $5,795 )
Seat 4: RogerJr1987 ( $3,512 )
Seat 5: london_ace ( $31,186 )
Seat 6: kostjn929 ( $4,920 )
Seat 7: MeXaHik13 ( $23,152 )
Seat 9: cashgamer123 ( $8,345 )
Seat 10: danikvl ( $8,281 )
richi56 posts ante [$40]
pejic25 posts ante [$40]
london_ace posts ante [$40]
cashgamer123 posts ante [$40]
MeXaHik13 posts ante [$40]
RogerJr1987 posts ante [$40]
Titford posts ante [$40]
danikvl posts ante [$40]
kostjn929 posts ante [$40]
richi56 posts small blind [$150]
RogerJr1987 posts big blind [$300]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 2
, 2
]
london_ace raises [$600]
kostjn929 folds
MeXaHik13 folds
cashgamer123 folds
danikvl folds
Titford calls [$600]
pejic25 calls [$600]
richi56 folds
RogerJr1987 folds
** Dealing flop ** [ A, 2
, T
]
london_ace checks
Titford checks
pejic25 checks
** Dealing turn ** [ 8]
london_ace bets [$750]
Titford folds
pejic25 calls [$750]
** Dealing river ** [ 7
]
london_ace bets [$2,055]
pejic25 raises [$7,096]
Reads- Both villians are loose passive fish, limping in a ton and calling raises almost always.
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December 6, 2012
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Slowplaying vs two loose passive fish is not a good idea. There’s a video in my Getting Paid series talking about when and when not to slowplay, and also about getting value from big hands in general. Think (re)watching that series would be valuable to you.
September 14, 2014
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I've watched that series a few times andrew , The reason why I slow played was because my value target was really weak hands or probably none at all. what would your value target be against these players? that just limp in with any two?
we can get value from KJ, Ax , but i doubt hands like Tx are calling more then 1 street.
November 18, 2014
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You can't get value when there's no value to get, if they've missed the flop completely then they'll fold and that's it, bad luck.
What you want to do is try to get as much value as possible from a hand like Ax, or with any luck a Tx. If they are not calling the flop there aren't many turns or rivers that they are calling either. You can wait but with an ace on the board you're only getting value from them if they have an ace or if the have a flush in the river… so why wait?
I thins spot I prefer to put a bet out on the flop and, if called then check to let the fish hang himself… if they both fold to my bet then that's fine too… but trying to trap in that spot doesn't really work, you were the pre flop raiser so they perceive you to have the ace so they'll fold if they don't, but they're always going to float one street with the ace (and sometimes without the ace) and try to take it if you show weakness.
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December 6, 2012
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“You can’t get value when there’s no value to get, if they’ve missed the flop completely then they’ll fold and that’s it, bad luck.”
Well said Chaos. When you have a near-nut hand, your target shouldn’t be weak hands. In this case, Ax should most definitely be your target. It’s fine to let them fold their weak holdings. That’s the tradeoff for winning big pots against Ax. Checking isn’t going to suddenly cause them to play big pots with weak hands.
September 14, 2014
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Nice post chaos.
I’ve re-watched value betting series part 2 and against loose passive fish i should be driving action since its unlikely that they are going to do it for me.
cheers all 🙂
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