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Botched hand with 29bbs?
danulam
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January 6, 2012 - 11:52 am
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Not sure what to do after getting flatted and this flop comes…No history with flatter. Can I do anything differently?

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 8 players
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DansiDanutz (UTG): t210 2.10 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t2918 29.18 BBs
davidd2552 (MP1): t3000 30 BBs
THE gQQgle (MP2): t8604 86.04 BBs
getuk (CO): t3000 30 BBs
schuimpie (BTN): t2940 29.40 BBs
greba122 (SB): t2925 29.25 BBs
doctorturf (BB): t2985 29.85 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 of hearts 6 of spades
DansiDanutz raises to t210 all in, Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, getuk calls t600, 3 folds

Flop: (t1560) 9 of diamonds 5 of diamonds 9 of hearts (3 players – 1 is all in)
Hero bets t2318 all in, getuk calls t2318

Turn: (t6196) Q of diamonds (3 players – 2 are all in)

River: (t6196) 4 of hearts (3 players – 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t6196
DansiDanutz shows T of hearts 8 of hearts (a pair of Nines)
Hero shows 6 of hearts 6 of spades (two pair, Nines and Sixes)
getuk shows J of clubs J of spades (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
getuk wins t5416
getuk wins t780

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January 6, 2012 - 12:58 pm
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I don't mind the preflop 3bet, on the flop I think that we can bet/fold probably cheap too about 599 should get him to fold all the broadway hands he missed with.  Once the villain flats again I am done with the hand.  You have to keep in mind that he cold called your UTG+1 three bet from the CO.  He probably has you crushed often.  Shoving flop is lighting money on fire.

 

FWIW I think your options preflop are 3bet>folding>>>>>>>>>>flatting.  I hate flatting the most because we are goign to get raised and put into spots where we are folding pre too often.  Would rather take the lead and raise pre, this way you might get hands like AJ or 88 to fold pre that would normally flat or raise your flat. 

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January 6, 2012 - 3:08 pm
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I dont mind just a flat because trying to isolate with so many people to act behind can sometimes get you in trouble with small pairs. Also, I like flatting because isolating for a small pot will not make a difference to ur stack. I am looking for others to flat behind so I can set mine for a bigger pot and dont care if I have to fold postflop, or preflop for that matter, when only invested for 200.

If you do wanna 3bet iso, there is no need to make it so much. You accomplish the same goal by just going to 450 or so. It is spew to jam flop for sure because you are not getting called by worse often enough.

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January 6, 2012 - 4:50 pm
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I agree with Hawk….I believe Mike Leah went over this in his last vid too about 3 bet isoing over a shorty all in.  He likes a flat pre because then you can evaluate a squeeze and you are controling the size of the pot.  If you are 4 bet, chances are all you are doing is folding, so we have wasted valuble chips.  With how it was played, I also would probably lead small to have the villain fold out missed hands, but if called try to get to sd as cheaply as possible.  By shoving flop, you are only getting called by better hands.  Best of luck at the tables.

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January 6, 2012 - 7:27 pm
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You have under 30 bigs its either a flat or a fold imo. Im leaning towards a fold with under 30 bigs any raise after you and you have to fold your hand — better to preserve your stack and wait for a better spot. Hate the shove — only better hand will call. Thats the problem calling there with 29 bigs — the flop is going to have 2 overs most of the time and your in a tough spot. Fold pre.

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January 6, 2012 - 7:36 pm
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We aren't really deep enough to be set mining so would need a multiway pot for it to work, by flatting this is more likely to happen and you can get away cheap if you are raised. Without the short stack jam I am probably not opening this hand though and seeing as we are likely racing against his range I'm not any keener to play with our stack size so I am folding, second choice flatting.

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January 7, 2012 - 10:55 pm
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u played it way to fast on the flop imo you can cbet and fold or check call and watch the Q slow the action down and try to check it down but no need to overplay your hand here in this spot.

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