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July 18, 2016 - 12:11 pm
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Hi guys,

This spot came up when  there were 90 people left out of 470 in the tournament, blinds were (4k-8k/500ante) on 9 handed tables.

I was down to 10BB when CO limped and i shoved with Adiamond7diamond got called from the Big Blind holding AclubQheart.  I got lucky and hit a flush on the turn and doubled up to 195K in chips.

The next hand UTG+2 (290K) opens to 20K and it folds to me where i have 7club7heart and i flat call so we go heads up.  The information i had so far for this specific player was that he was TAG and did not show too many hands at showdown.  The range i gave him pre-flop was 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ 

             Equity   Win       Tie
UTG+2 53.23% 52.71% 0.53% { 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
CO       46.77% 46.24% 0.53% { 77 }

Flop comes 8spade3diamond2diamond.  Pot is 56500.  UTG+2 bets 31K and i Call leaving my self with 144K.

             Equity Win Tie
UTG+2 42.08% 41.79% 0.28% { 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
CO       57.92% 57.64% 0.28% { 77 }

Turn 6heart.  Pot is 118500.  UTG+2 Bets 50K and i Call leaving my self with 94K.

             Equity Win Tie
UTG+2 36.05% 35.75% 0.30% { 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
CO       63.95% 63.64% 0.30% { 77 }

River 9club.  Pot is 218500.  UTG+2 All in.  I called for my tournament life.

             Equity Win Tie
UTG+2 26.40% 26.09% 0.31% { 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
CO       73.60% 73.29% 0.31% { 77 }

 

I will give some insight on how i was thinking throughout the hand.  When he opened pre-flop and folded to me i thought i had 2 options (raising/calling) so i called because that was the best approach with the information i had at the time.  

When the flop came and he bet 31K i thought that it was a safe flop for me and it missed a lot of his opening range but i didn’t want to raise him because i would be able to keep all of his semi bluffs and bluffs in his range.

The turn comes and its another safe card for me again but his second barrel seems a little bit strong but a little bit suspicious too because my range of hands calling him are sets and pocket pairs.  All my diamond draws will be raising on the flop.

On the river he goes all in and that is what made me lean towards  a call for a couple of reasons.  Firstly the board hits my range so hard that his All In pretty much polarizes his range to nutted hands Sets + or busted flush draws like 

AdKdiamond,AdQdiamond,KdQdiamond,AdJdiamond,KdJdiamond,QdJdiamond,AdTdiamond,KdTdiamond,QdTdiamond,JdTdiamond,Ad9diamond  and i do not see him moving All In with his over pairs because he will only get called from better in that spot.

I never make calls like that especially on the river for my tournament life but based on the reads and the way my opponent played his hand i came to the conclusion that i was good.

I would appreciate it if somebody could help me with this spot and advice me if i could take any other line at any point in the hand.

Also it is my first time using Equilab and wanted to ask you if i should deduct the hands that would never bet on the flop turn and river from his range to get an accurate result.

 

Thanks!smile

 

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July 19, 2016 - 9:43 am
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Starting the hand with only 25bb I don’t really like calling this open. What are we doing if there’s a 3bet or a shove behind? If we’re going with the hand, we should shove ourselves and benefit from the protection of the fold equity we have. Our shove would also be for 2/3 of villains stack, so he has to be selective about calling us.

Another potential issue with flatting is we’re gonna see a lot of flops we won’t love, and occasionally get bluffed off the best hand, ex: AT6, villain holding KQ. The pot could go multi way and then we really don’t know where we are on flops that don’t have a 7 on them.

You say there’s two options, calling and raising, but I wouldn’t entirely rule out folding. 77 is a nice hand when stacks are deep, but if we think we’re up against a tight range and still have a lot of people behind, a fold is totally fine here.

 

Cliffs: if we’re gonna play the hand we should shove. Against a TAG villain in these positions I think I find a fold here.

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July 19, 2016 - 10:02 pm
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Not sure what position you’re in but I very much agree that calling this open is probably not good.

I can understand peeling the flop but I think turn is where we have to fold. Villain is unlikely to have that many 2-barrel bluffs in their range on a blank turn like that one, especially having opened in MP, but even if they do it’s likely we’ll be put to a tough river decision at least some of the time.

Depending on your position, you might be able to shove preflop or just fold, but I don’t love calling unless you’re the big blind.

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July 20, 2016 - 12:36 am
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According to that equilab output stuff he has on there, I’m assuming he’s in the cutoff.

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July 20, 2016 - 12:18 pm
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My position was either CO or HJ and from reading your thoughts on the hand i see that i took the worst line possible.  If we take in consideration all the lines we could take based on the information we had for the opponent and our image on the table then folding becomes very clear.

Option 1: Call->  Calling is the worst option possible because set mining with 25BB is not profitable and very exploitable if we are going to fold on over cards.  If the board comes low we are still on the guessing game and we do not profit from any fold equity that we have.

Option 2: Raise-> Raising even though it looks really strong will not accomplish anything for the reason that the opponent is going to shove on us so many times and we wont be able to fold because we committed about 40% of our stack.

Option 3: Shove-> Shoving looks one of the best options like you guys posted above because we take advantage of any fold equity we get in this spot as well as we put maximum pressure on the opponent and some times will fold a better hand 88 and 99 maybe 1010 if he has to call 70-80% of their stack.  

Option 4: Fold->  Folding seems the best option here taking in consideration the opponents image and raising position as well as their stack.  77 is not a hand you want to be folding in that stage of the tournament but it looks a lot better than what it actually is.

Having a 25BB stack at this stage in the tournament we are not cruising but we are not in a bad shape either so there was no need to get desperate.

When i called on the river he showed me one of the hands i was never expecting him to play that way.  He tabled 1010 for a win and i was out of the tournament.  What made me call the river is that i put myself in his spot and i would never play an over pair the way he did especially 1010 because the board hits the opponents range more often than not.  The only hands he is getting called on the river and 1010 is good would be 77,55 and 44 maybe some A8diamond and A9diamond.  Every other hand he is loosing to sets or 2 pairs.  When he shoved i put him on a busted flush draw AKdiamondAQdiamondAJdiamondA10diamond.  At the end of the day he got max value out of his 1010 that i would never be able to get in his spot and i was out of the tournament which really sucked.

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July 22, 2016 - 2:44 am
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Versus a 2.5x UTG+2 this is a really close spot for 24bb. I wouldn’t fault you for shoving or folding – I’m pretty sure 88 is a good shove here and 99 is most likely fine, so 77 can’t be too far behind. I think folding is a pretty reasonable alternative though because if you’re wrong about villain’s opening range then 77 gets a lot worse pretty quickly, since it’s right on the borderline where villain might call all better pairs and fold all worse ones. As soon as you get to the point where you think villain will call it off with worse pairs, that’s a good starting point for a shoving range.

This is one of the most awkward hands to get dealt in this situation so I don’t think it’s a mistake to take a neutral EV spot and just fold. With some other types of hands you could flat here in the CO (KQs, QJs, etc) but 77 doesn’t flop well enough, so if you can’t shove it, I think it’s one to ditch.

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Thank you for all the breakdown and advice guys.  I always go deep in tournaments but there seems to be a few things that i have to fix when I reach the late stages of tournaments.  It seems that i loose my concentration and patience at the time where i need it the most.

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