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Blind vs Blind Missed opportunity to show aggression?
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March 22, 2014 - 12:40 pm
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I have issues in blind vs. blind and lose opportunities in this spot. This is a situation when folds to sb and sb limps (which I should see as a sign of weakness, right?) and hero (me) is in the BB. I have looked back and have a different line of thinking now. I want to see if my new line of thinking would make sense. 

Looking at it now, when flop turned, sb cbets 1/2 pot and I call (which looking back at it, i should have 3 bet?). What do you all think. This seems like a standard blind vs blind situation but i struggle this hand all the time. 

 

WPN, 125/250 blinds, 25 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players

stevep502 (CO): 8,429 (33.7 bb)
ror (BTN): 10,209 (40.8 bb)
SkoolyRat (SB): 7,070 (28.3 bb)
Hero (BB): 15,071 (60.3 bb)
JeromeSFG (UTG+1): 4,582 (18.3 bb)
Tesler (UTG+2): 980 (3.9 bb)
Crunchme (MP1): 15,871 (63.5 bb)
ARTHURLEE (MP2): 4,992 (20 bb)
Lopez915 (MP3): 9,490 (38 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Kh Jh
7 folds, SkoolyRat completes, Hero checks

Flop: (725) 5h 4h 7d (2 players)
SkoolyRat bets 484, Hero calls 484

Turn: (1,693) 8d (2 players)
SkoolyRat bets 1,129
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I'm not a strong player (prefer to think i'm in the formative stages) but a SB limp is usually a weak attempt to see a cheap flop against another marginal hand. Your hand in the BB is much stronger than average and you'll be in position for the rest of the hand so I do think you should raise for value and to take the betting lead.

He would probably have checked to you on the flop and you could have made another value bet with 2 overs and the flush draw. He's saying he has a 6 when he bets big on the river which is completely possible given the betting sequence and now you have nothing to call him with. He beats you even if he is just bluffing with any pair. You did play this very passively but I guess if he was open ended on the turn he probably wouldn't have folded anyway.

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I did play it passively on this hand for the check behind on the flop for another Street of value.

I wonder though if it is best to check pre-flop or 3 bet?

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It would just have been a raise pre not a 3 bet as he just limped. I think when you take the betting lead it makes a flop bet more effective and a lot of the time you will just pick up the blinds pre. Not very many players want to play a weak hand OP against strength

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Yeah, I think you def need to raise PF here.  KJs is way too strong to just check behind.  The only reason I would do this is if I had a lot of history with an opponent and I wanted to trick him.  Against a random player, you need to raise this PF.  Then on the flop, you have 2 overs and a flush draw, I would re-reaise him here.

 

Live and learn, I have made mistakes far worse than this little one laugh

 

Thanks for the post, nh sir.

 

~Steve

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yah dude I can't open up calculators now, but look at all sorts of hands he could be completing…there are tons of them. Ax-Kx-all connectors. prob all suited. etc. now he probably folds a lot of the garbage when you raise since he only has 28bb and it's just a theoretically function of the game that you're more willing to put in parts of your stack when they're smaller %. but id reckon you still get limp/called a huge range still because people still do that. limps along? make it 3x or 3.1 or something or whatever it doesn't matter as long as it's not an overbet because you have a strong hand heads up, you have position, you have a bigger stack and can put more pressure on him, etc.

 

the hand greatly changes if you become the preflop aggressor, so i'm not really sure how to comment on the rest of the hand to be honest.

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