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Bigger 11 220 left utg open TJs 28bb vs a maniac flatter line check.
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February 18, 2014 - 7:01 pm
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Villain has played 49/37 fvcb 0% over 58 hands.

Cash in equity on the turn or bluffcatch all rivers?

 

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1800/t3600 Blinds + t450 – 7 players – View hand 2434085
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: BB = 131.2, t472292
MP: BB = 17.0, t61238
CO: BB = 72.6, t261526
BTN: BB = 9.6, t34524
SB: BB = 17.9, t64428
BB: BB = 14.5, t52354
Hero (UTG): BB = 27.6, t99513

Pre Flop: (t8550) Hero is UTG with T of clubs J of clubs
Hero raises to t7200, UTG+1 calls t7200, 4 folds, BB calls t3600

Flop: (t26550) 4 of hearts 3 of hearts T of spades (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t13540, UTG+1 calls t13540, BB folds

Turn: (t53630) 3 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t25200, Hero raises to t78323 all in

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February 19, 2014 - 11:00 am
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I would of bet smaller on flop to not bloat the pot. A c bet with a size of 1/3 pot will do the same job as 1/2 pot.  By opening utg with the short stacks behind you, you are representing strength from the beginning.  By c betting @1/3 pot you now can double barrel smaller on the turn.  I think with the 3 on the turn, it doesn't change much.  I definitely doulbe barrel @35-40% pot and get value from any draws and smaller pairs from the villain.  If the villain would raise you here then you can re evaluate.  By checking turn you are losing control of the pot and now at the mercy of the villains bet sizing.   With the river card, depending on what it is, if it is a card under the 10 (and even a heart), i bet again @35% pot for value for any smaller pairs or weaker 10s and fold to a raise. If an over card hits, I then c/c to allow the villain to bluff on any missed draws/ace high hands they have.  By betting an over card on riv you are only going to be looked up by hands that beat you imo.  I think with the way played and the c/r on turn, you are only being called by hands that beat you and you are folding out any worse hands. I look forward to what others say.  Best of luck at the tables.

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Let's say villain's range can be broken down into the categories of made hands, draws and air. Given his non-passive stats, it's reasonable to expect him to shove most of his draws on the flop, so on the turn he's more likely to have just made hands and air. He'll fold the air to a check-raise of course…so the question is how your hand fares against his made hands that he's calling with? I reckon not so great (though given his ridiculously loose stats you're far from drawing dead here and the bottom of his calling range will be hands you're ahead of).

This hand illustrates why it might not be the greatest idea to open JTs UTG at your stack depth. JTs is a pretty hand but when you're in the 20-30BB range I think it's worth tightening up your EP ranges because you don't have a lot of post-flop flexibility. By the time you get to the turn you've already put 20% of your stack in with a medium-strength hand, and basically have no more streets left before you're committing to the rest. Stacking off with top pair, medium kicker is not how I want to be remembered in life. I'd prefer to be a good deal deeper before opening with this type of hand UTG, especially with three reship stacks at the table (MP, SB, BB).

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What image did the table have of you. If you had been fairly nitty, then ok spot to raise utg. If your image is aggro, I’m folding this pre. To many reshove stacks behind.

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February 20, 2014 - 8:20 pm
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i agree with mrpunty regarding opening this hand in the first place UTG. its very close esp when you have 3 reshove stacks and a “maniac flatter” IP on you.  where i disagree with mrpunty is that “villain would shove on the flop (with a draw).” totally disagree. draws are very possible and we are still deep enough that villain doesnt just auto-shove any draw at this stack depth.

as played i dont totally mind, except that you will be up against better Tx's (remember, he flats a lot. so QTs KTo are possibilities) but also a fair amount of one-over-plus-FDs (20-30%ers). not altogether bad, but a difficult spot given we could have just folded pre.

will be very interested to see how this turned out.

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February 21, 2014 - 7:13 am
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I had been playing very nitty because of the guy to my left, so when I saw this hand(flops good and plays well vs a wide calling range) I just thought it would be a pretty good spot to try and double up vs this guy, wasn´t really worried about the shoves, because the maniac protects my open (was calling very wide vs 15bb stack AIs).

 

I bet the flop bigger than usual, because im doing this for value, since he is never folding a flop. Ran into top of his range this time him having ATs.

 

Thanks for the replies.

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February 22, 2014 - 11:36 am
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a “wide flatting range” would have to be extraordinarily wide for JTs to play that well vs it. remember, a wide range from that spot would include KJ, KT, QJ, QT (AT) type hands that dominate you when you flop pairs. his range would need to start including 98s type hands as well to say its a great hand vs his range (and i dont know if its that wide). id much rather be flatting this hand in position than opening it knowing this guy will flat me a ton.

i agree with your point though that him flatting your open protects it from reshovers bc they have to expect he will call it off. good point.

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