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big82 - hola the entire family in the pot with AA on wet board - line check
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Yo,

 

we re early in the big82.

 

stats:

 

hero(24/19); HJ(17/9), BTN(22/13), BB(20/16).

 

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$75+$7

Blinds 20/40 9
UTG BIack88 2,655
UTG+1 Catukinho 3,000
MP1 Hero 5,901
MP2 krikaxxxx 6,469
MP3 chrisottawa 3,050
CO NightG214 3,045
D motreanu90 1,960
SB Taurin21 3,708
BB AptiVova 2,485

Preflop
9 60 Hero is MP1 A A
2 folds, Hero raises to 120, 1 fold, chrisottawa calls 120, 1 fold, motreanu90 calls 120, 1 fold, AptiVova calls 80
Flop
4 500 9 6 8
AptiVova checks, Hero checks, chrisottawa bets 200, 1 fold, AptiVova calls 200, Hero calls 200
Turn
3 1,100 8
AptiVova checks, Hero checks, chrisottawa checks
River
3 1,100 K
AptiVova checks, Hero checks, chrisottawa bets 240, AptiVova calls 240, Hero calls 240
Final Pot 1,820
chrisottawa shows a pair of Eights 3 2
AptiVova shows two pair, Tens and Eights T T
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Eights A A

Hero wins 1,820 (net +1,260)
chrisottawa lost 560
motreanu90 lost 120
AptiVova lost 560

 

i prefer a passive line on this wet of a board with so many players.

input on all streets are welcome.

 

cheers

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Flop is close between betting and checking I think. I’d like checking a lot better if you had a spade, but without one, just bet-folding and then giving up on bad turn cards may be best, especially against weaker opponents.

As played, I think you can have a lot of confidence in your hand by the river, more than enough to bet for value. I think even if I checked I could find a check-raise on the river given this action. 

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This flop is dynamic which means its rather unlikely that the winning hand has been made yet also another thing i’d like to point out is that many players would play a hand like AA the same on a two gap board (like in OP) the same way they would on a zero gap flop of 7s8s9s or 8h9dTc, this is wrong! since the value of AA actually goes up on a 2 gap board rather then a zero gap flop. On this board its very unlikely someone has a very strong hand. T7 would be the nuts for the straight and its not that often you’ll make a strong hand in poker plus not many would call with T7s pre, especially an offsuit one. 

 

Ed miller wrote an article on dynamic flops , this is what he wrote

When I recommend checking flops because they are dynamic, it certainly doesn’t mean you are just check-folding a ton. You are checking for two reasons. First, when you c-bet a lot you are vulnerable to getting raised and getting stacks into play on boards that are likely to change significantly on the turn and river. This has the potential to get you into too many sick spots. So you are keeping the average pot smaller in unfavorable situations.

Second, you check more hands so that your check-fold frequency can go down—in other words, you are checking a higher percentage of the hands that are worth continuing or bluffing with. So, after you start with a check, you should defend a lot of hands against an opponent’s flop bet.

 

as for the river i’d go for a value bet , the action on the turn indicates that both players ranges are marginal. If any of those opponents had a monster hand on the turn they surely would have bet to build a pot and to get value from maybe some FDs and straight draw like JT.

 

nh btw 🙂

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hi, i know am new , i do more reading than posting but willing to start getting involved a bit more now that i ve quit my day job to play full time.

i would perosnally bet big on the flop to see where i am as that button guy stats seem fishy then check any turn realy to keep things small and depending on oponents post flop agg stats i woud c/c or b/f river

 

i like the 1 gap two gap concept from Foldin_aces_pre though , its new to me , must be worth looking into

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Soapy13 said

i would perosnally bet big on the flop to see where i am as that button guy stats seem fishy then check any turn realy to keep things small and depending on oponents post flop agg stats i woud c/c or b/f river

you should never bet to see where you stand. 

a bet is either a bet for value or it is a bluff. If we bet for value we have to ask ourselves what worse hands do call. If we bet as a bluff we want to ask ourselves what better do fold.

 

my reasoning for checking this flop because it hits at least one of the villains decently still i believe my hand is best but i am not willing to get heaps a BBs in here with just one pair. 

 

i agree that river is most likely a bet for value. 

 

i think the bet should be small. around 350? as neither of them should have a nutted hand. Further we are not blocking their flush draws so we might also induce something.

 

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florianm1 said

Soapy13 said
i would perosnally bet big on the flop to see where i am as that button guy stats seem fishy then check any turn realy to keep things small and depending on oponents post flop agg stats i woud c/c or b/f river

you should never bet to see where you stand. 

a bet is either a bet for value or it is a bluff. If we bet for value we have to ask ourselves what worse hands do call. If we bet as a bluff we want to ask ourselves what better do fold.

 

my reasoning for checking this flop because it hits at least one of the villains decently still i believe my hand is best but i am not willing to get heaps a BBs in here with just one pair. 

 

i agree that river is most likely a bet for value. 

 

i think the bet should be small. around 350? as neither of them should have a nutted hand. Further we are not blocking their flush draws so we might also induce something.

 

Cheers

good point i could ve worded it better but i do still bet big(for value 🙂 ) for their draws as the button guys stats seem fishy, i guess you could induce if they were agg postflop, it is close though

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Soapy13 said

good point i could ve worded it better but i do still bet big(for value 🙂 ) for their draws as the button guys stats seem fishy, i guess you could induce if they were agg postflop, it is close though

so assuming hero bets, villain 1 raises and villain 2 shoves whats the range you put them on for doing this? and whats our equity vs that range?

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@soapy

…..ted-boards

 

check this out!

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No idea why the website is not coming up. If you go onto google just type in “ed miller zero gap flops” its the 1st link right at the top of the page 🙂 you may also want to check out “Ed miller dynamic flop” i found those articles really helpful.

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folding_aces_pre_yo said
No idea why the website is not coming up. If you go onto google just type in “ed miller zero gap flops” its the 1st link right at the top of the page 🙂 you may also want to check out “Ed miller dynamic flop” i found those articles really helpful.

you dont know the rule that you are not allowed to post any content from authorities other than the pros here?

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florianm1 said

Soapy13 said

good point i could ve worded it better but i do still bet big(for value 🙂 ) for their draws as the button guys stats seem fishy, i guess you could induce if they were agg postflop, it is close though

so assuming hero bets, villain 1 raises and villain 2 shoves whats the range you put them on for doing this? and whats our equity vs that range?

sorry i missed this post , easy fold with AA there. Next hand… to me, the reg is prob set mining and will be v agg wi a big hand wanting value and the fish, well he s passive so that kind of action makes it an easy fold. In the long run though, you miss out on alot of value from the fish who dont care how much they pay to get there

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