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December 6, 2012
Flop is close between betting and checking I think. I’d like checking a lot better if you had a spade, but without one, just bet-folding and then giving up on bad turn cards may be best, especially against weaker opponents.
As played, I think you can have a lot of confidence in your hand by the river, more than enough to bet for value. I think even if I checked I could find a check-raise on the river given this action.
September 14, 2014
This flop is dynamic which means its rather unlikely that the winning hand has been made yet also another thing i’d like to point out is that many players would play a hand like AA the same on a two gap board (like in OP) the same way they would on a zero gap flop of 7s8s9s or 8h9dTc, this is wrong! since the value of AA actually goes up on a 2 gap board rather then a zero gap flop. On this board its very unlikely someone has a very strong hand. T7 would be the nuts for the straight and its not that often you’ll make a strong hand in poker plus not many would call with T7s pre, especially an offsuit one.
Ed miller wrote an article on dynamic flops , this is what he wrote
When I recommend checking flops because they are dynamic, it certainly doesn’t mean you are just check-folding a ton. You are checking for two reasons. First, when you c-bet a lot you are vulnerable to getting raised and getting stacks into play on boards that are likely to change significantly on the turn and river. This has the potential to get you into too many sick spots. So you are keeping the average pot smaller in unfavorable situations.
Second, you check more hands so that your check-fold frequency can go down—in other words, you are checking a higher percentage of the hands that are worth continuing or bluffing with. So, after you start with a check, you should defend a lot of hands against an opponent’s flop bet.
as for the river i’d go for a value bet , the action on the turn indicates that both players ranges are marginal. If any of those opponents had a monster hand on the turn they surely would have bet to build a pot and to get value from maybe some FDs and straight draw like JT.
nh btw 🙂
June 3, 2015
hi, i know am new , i do more reading than posting but willing to start getting involved a bit more now that i ve quit my day job to play full time.
i would perosnally bet big on the flop to see where i am as that button guy stats seem fishy then check any turn realy to keep things small and depending on oponents post flop agg stats i woud c/c or b/f river
i like the 1 gap two gap concept from Foldin_aces_pre though , its new to me , must be worth looking into
June 3, 2015
florianm1 said
Soapy13 said
i would perosnally bet big on the flop to see where i am as that button guy stats seem fishy then check any turn realy to keep things small and depending on oponents post flop agg stats i woud c/c or b/f riveryou should never bet to see where you stand.
a bet is either a bet for value or it is a bluff. If we bet for value we have to ask ourselves what worse hands do call. If we bet as a bluff we want to ask ourselves what better do fold.
my reasoning for checking this flop because it hits at least one of the villains decently still i believe my hand is best but i am not willing to get heaps a BBs in here with just one pair.
i agree that river is most likely a bet for value.
i think the bet should be small. around 350? as neither of them should have a nutted hand. Further we are not blocking their flush draws so we might also induce something.
Cheers
good point i could ve worded it better but i do still bet big(for value 🙂 ) for their draws as the button guys stats seem fishy, i guess you could induce if they were agg postflop, it is close though
September 14, 2014
September 14, 2014
June 3, 2015
florianm1 said
Soapy13 said
good point i could ve worded it better but i do still bet big(for value 🙂 ) for their draws as the button guys stats seem fishy, i guess you could induce if they were agg postflop, it is close though
so assuming hero bets, villain 1 raises and villain 2 shoves whats the range you put them on for doing this? and whats our equity vs that range?
sorry i missed this post , easy fold with AA there. Next hand… to me, the reg is prob set mining and will be v agg wi a big hand wanting value and the fish, well he s passive so that kind of action makes it an easy fold. In the long run though, you miss out on alot of value from the fish who dont care how much they pay to get there
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