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Big55 early 3b pot OOP vs mainac fish - flop decision
florianm1
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August 11, 2013 - 10:03 am
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hello TPE nation,

villain was a complete maniac fish running 83/28 fold to 3bet 0% but 4bet 0%

seems like he is calling his entire range after opening. still i would say he 4bets the very top of his range with those stats.

are you 3betting pre? i would probably just call out of the BB but from the SB i want to get HU and if he 4bs i can fold without bothering.

flop i decided to c/call, lead turn and probably lead river or c/c depending on board run out.

i think flop c/call is best to protect my checking range allthough this is probably not something i need to be aware of against this villain.

 

NOW, to my suprise he overshoves flop. what you put him on? still calling?

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t30/t60 Blinds + t5 – 9 players – View hand 2279967
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

robsterino (CO): BB = 61.1, t3665
MADSAMx (BTN): BB = 75.4, t4525
Hero (SB): BB = 51.8, t3105
kiddo1960 (BB): BB = 78.0, t4677
sebas23 (UTG): BB = 90.0, t5403
skom221 (UTG+1): BB = 27.6, t1655
daddikos (UTG+2): BB = 52.4, t3145
Crim44 (MP1): BB = 36.4, t2185
klootzak35 (MP2): BB = 70.5, t4230

Pre Flop: (t135) Hero is SB with Q of clubs T of hearts
4 folds, klootzak35 raises to t120, 2 folds, Hero raises to t360, 1 fold, klootzak35 calls t240

Flop: (t825) 7 of clubs Q of hearts 3 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, klootzak35 bets t3865 all in, Hero ???

 

cheers for feed back

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anyone giving a try?

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I think I'd fold it and rather be in the tournament then busting against the range I expect he has.

His pfr isn't that crazy (28%) and I don't see him jamming with 99-22 on this flop. he might be doing this with AK-AQ, TT-KK, Qx (of which most will be pretty decent Qx imo as he has such a wide limping range where he'd limp his weak Qx hands) and any flushdraw .

 

Basically against this range I think it's not worth flipping and I'd sigh/fold.

 

I expect AA to be out of his range as he'll 4b it but more likely I expect him to limp reraise AA here;)

 

just curious…If you 3b for value/isolation I'd happily bet flop as I expect him to call all his lower pairs and only raise a big hand/draw. Especially since flop containst clubclub I'm even more inclined to bet, I would hate it when another club or A/K comes off on the turn if villain checks, not only would it kill our action but if villain becomes aggressive or stationy we'd be pretty bad shape.  

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These are spots i find difficult cause i end up calling and they turn over KQ/AQ.

He prob is doin it to make it look like a flush draw and hoping you call with 88>JJ when he has the Q

 

What did you do?

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August 13, 2013 - 10:47 am
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If I expect him to call the 3bet, I would make it smaller maybe 240-275. I would definitely bet the flop for value.

 

As played, this is how I would range him…

I think he most likely has a flush draw which you have anywhere from 50-60% equity against if we assume he has at least one over card.

He has some Qx that beat you but there aren't many combos of these and I dont think he would play them this way.

I dont think he has overpairs, sets, or two pairs because he would either get it in pre or play a little lower post for value especially since you checked the flop.

There are also fringe factors like misclicks (more likely if his bet was 3866) and being leveled by hands like JJ or KK+(less likely if he is bad).

 

So basically you have to decide if 50-60% equity is enough for you to get it in at this level vs this field. That is a personal decision. I could go either way depending on my view of the field, my bankroll, and how many other tables I was on at the time.

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I think players who play this type of style can definitely be shoving any Qx here, but I don't like 3b pre this deep. I would still fold tho because I'd assume I'd find better spots and if this player is gonna keep playing like this, it's only a matter of time before we get all of it.

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We are not quiet at the top of our range here so  think we can fold but its close. I think KQ+ is where folding becomes expoitable and i would not be folding that part of my range  to this player type. As for his range it looks like flush draws, KQ,AQ,4,6 which we have about 50% equity against. 

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August 14, 2013 - 10:33 pm
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To me this looks like a pot ods decision.

Considering his range to be any pair, any flushdraw and most 7X hand we have an equity of 65% on this flop. Since we have to call 3k to win 6k its 50% odds on a 63% equity, so it looks like a call to me, am I right?

But still since it´s so early en the tournemant I guess that in game I would fold.

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I would also just fold pre condidering stage of tournament and our Position (SB)…there will be better spots to take all his chips wink

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