November 4, 2013
I think you have to have a r/f range here. Otherwise you probably aren't opening your button wide enough from a stealing perspective. I open a polarized range off the BTN in these spots, so that the next decision is easy. It's rare that a stack size such as theirs will flat us OOP.
That puts hands like Q2-Q8, J2-J8, T2-T7 in the R/F range. Probably just open folding the bottom end of the spectrum, unless they never defend their blinds.
September 5, 2013
a) These are so lazy questions ( I assume how you know how to do your math ). Just assign a reshove range for villain(s) and calculate your equity and EV vs this range. Afterwards you compare the EV of r/c with Shoving and you're done.
b) If you have a r/c range you def should have a r/f range.
c) true
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September 28, 2012
Not with this hand, but this situation in gerneal is a great spot to limp. I probably limp hands like A5s, 89s, KTo, basically all hands in the middle of our general opening range here. I would r/f the bottom, and r/c the top(like AT). People cant play veruss limps, and you can still call a decent portion of your limping range.
I know not what you asked, but as I read the HH its the first thing I thought of.
Off the top of my head I am opening something like 50% and calling something like 18-20% Thats av ery rough quick-estimate.
I am never shoving here. But thats me. I play a style where raise when short over shoving and raise into shorties over shoving.
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August 25, 2012
I think it's a huge error not to have a raise/folding range here. When you consider that a minraise has to work about 48% of the time preflop in order to be profitable if we have no cards, that means that even if the blinds are shoving 25% and 35% respectively (which they're almost certainly not), we can raise/fold AA or 72o here if we want and be roughly breakeven.
If we want to be able to raise/call our strong hands we should absolutely have a raise/fold range. If you think the blinds are never flatting it doesn't really matter what you open with at all, so anything with any kind of blocker value is probably fine to raise. Their shoving frequencies depend a lot on your image at the table so obviously you can't just open here every time, but the tighter your image is, the wider your r/f range should be.
I'd also be shoving those hands which weren't especially profitable to raise/call or raise/fold, like 22-44, A2s-A6s, 98s+ or JTo+, but were still profitable to shove. I think raise/calling a hand like A2s but not 66 would be a big error. My raise/call range is around 55+, A7s+ A8o+, KJs+ KQo.
March 8, 2013
I know some people are confused by spot like this when they say
c)shoving range?
everything else that should be nash optimal
I don't know if you are or not, but a lot of people will just look at a Nash chart, raise the best hands small and shove the rest. This is no longer Nash optimal, and in fact is super-exploitable. Because your shoving range is much weaker, your opponents can call far more often and you will be losing money with a lot of your shoves. If you are going to have a raising range, make sure you are separately figuring out that the range of just your shoves is calculated against his correct calling range vs. just your shoves. I haven't done a lot of examples, but I'll do this one (again, not sure if you're making this mistake, but many do).
If you shove
44-22,A6s-A2s,KJs-K5s,Q8s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,A7o-A2o,KTo+,QTo+,JTo,T9o
Big blind can call with 22+,Ax,K3s+,K7o+,Q8s+,Q9o+,J9s+,JTo,T9s
which is 34% of hands. Our worst hands have about 37% against this range.
For simplicity lets first assume the small blind is sitting out, and we shove T9o. When we are called, our equity is (14456*.37)-6903 = -1554. When we are not called we win 1050. This results in a total of .66*1050 – .34*1554 = 164.64.
That's if the small blind always folds! I don't have time right now to calculate small blinds optimal calling range, but it will certainly be wide enough to make shoving T9o unprofitable.
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