September 5, 2013
fold pre, you're not deep enough and very exploitable to 3b (certainly with above stacksizes) etc if this is in your opening range.
Think the reshove range is something like this 55+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo+, vs this range we have 35% equity
Equity wise we have to call, but I don't really want to lose a good 3b/f stack, so I think I fold.
June 1, 2012
I think before you open here you have to decide whether you're going to call the BTN if he shoves (or MP2 as well.) I don't know how tight the table is and your image though.
If you think you can get away with a bet/fold here a very, very high percentage of the time with the table dynamics, it's not necessarily a bad open IMO. You just have to know what you'll do if the BTN shoves. I'm assuming your plan is to bet/fold to the other 20+bb stacks? Personally unless I have a very strong read that I'll get folds, I'd muck this pre. You definately don't want to get flatted and have to play this oop.
As played I think you have to call.
TPE Pro
August 25, 2012
Probably folding pre most of the time but I am always going to be considering whether I am willing to price myself in against short stacks before I open a hand like this. It's not a terrible spot to open, but you need to know beforehand whether you're calling the shortstack.
Your range for calling is a little bit false, because not all of those hands are in our preflop range, so it's a little unnecessary to even calculate which other hands we would be priced in with if we wouldn't even be opening all of those hands. Certainly I wouldn't fold any of those hands to an 8bb shove if I opened them, but you're going about the calculation from the wrong direction.
I think it would be pretty bad to fold A4s to this 8bb shove, or to fold anything else I opened in this spot, because I simply wouldn't be opening the kind of hands in this spot that would have less than the equity required to call this shove. This spot gets tougher if you're on the button and you need to decide whether to try to raise/call or raise/fold with a hand like K4o or something, because that's a much more complicated calculation.
TPE Pro
September 28, 2012
I dont mind calling here sometimes. Especially if I think it will discourage people in furhter hands. But I do default to folding. I just dont like where our stack will be if we lose. That makes almost no positive benefits to calling here outside of cEV so we can fold the bottom of our range to perserve stack manuverability.
Also some people probably dont even shove 22-44 here, so we may be able to disclude at least some of those combos.
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