CCuster 911 said:

Juni0r83 said:

 

2) The absolute nuts (KK, AA, maybe QQ). He would play this way if he thinks that you're a solid player with a good feel for the game. He would therefore know that you know he wouldn't play this way with a nutted hand, and therefore you're more likely to call. It's only really second level thinking, so its not like this is really all that far out there. If we really wanted to, we could play this back on a third and fourth level thinking, but I expect we're just leveling ourselves at that point.

I want to point out a flaw in this thinking, in case people try to use this.  What you are claiming here is that he is trying to take the top of his range and disgusise it as the middle of his range(your 1st point).  The problem is if you do this, you are not making a big enough jump(hence why majority of the time Ia ragne is balanced with nuts/air).  Nobody expects the guy to be bluffing, so adding the top of your range in this spot isnt gaining you value, and will 90% of the time cost you a decent amount of value.  

 

This is becuase the hands you are getting called by are great hands, that a majority of the time will be getting it in with you anyway.  The reason people shvoe ehre instead of 3 betting their medium hands is because they want to eliminate some of the light playbacks and the calls pre that make playing OOP hard(moreso that they are just uncomfortable playing it post OOP).

 

The hands you ae getting to call this shove are effectively 99+,AK for a lot of people, and you are getting those in anyways as they are likely 4 betting on you if you squeeze.

I see your point, and I would like to add, I wouldn't advocate this line with your nutted hands, just that there are players out there who do play like this, so it's always worth thinking about.