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May 14, 2013
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hi,
my read on villain UTG+2; quite loose passive 31/7 over 30 hands(no so much samples but saw him limp KTs, cold call AKs on BU and check raise ATx board and lost vs TT; shove 35bb+ AJo from BB)
my thought process: a raise from this guy and 3x, probably a good hand regarding his PFR and his previous ways of playing, AJ+; TT+; may be KQs, I decided to squeeze and don't try to be too tricky to slowplay especially 3-way hands.
the flop just scary me! so I think a lot about how I can play this hand; initially try to control the pot by checking the flop but I decided to CB and see if he plays a fit or fold. his shove all-in regarding the range I gave him and regarding his profile probably means AK, AQ, KQ…
what you would do here? your plan on this type of hand/board/player type play.
Poker Stars €4.50+€0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t350/t700 Blinds + t85 – 9 players – View hand 2398539
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
UTG: BB = 50.7, t35508
UTG+1: BB = 60.2, t42113
UTG+2: BB = 66.3, t46435
MP1: BB = 14.9, t10400
MP2: BB = 10.1, t7064
CO: BB = 56.6, t39646
BTN: BB = 35.3, t24704
SB: BB = 11.9, t8340
Hero (BB): BB = 53.1, t37157
Pre Flop: (t1815) Hero is BB with A
A
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t2100, 3 folds, BTN calls t2100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t5600, UTG+2 calls t3500, BTN calls t3500
Flop: (t17915) J
Q
Q (3 players)
Hero bets t9100, UTG+2 raises to t40750 all in, BTN folds
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November 4, 2013
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A few things before I answer what I would do here. Or at least what I like to think I would do here.
I think the 3 bet pre is a little small given the limper in the pot. I'm fine with that sizing if it is just the two of you, but once the other player becomes involved, I would tend to go a with a bigger 3b size. More along the lines of 7k. No reason to have BTN get insanely great odds to call pre if UTG flats. With BTN in pot, and UTG being a rather “passive” player, you aren't going to induce him to 4bet with anything other than QQ-AA and sometimes AK. I say sometimes because you noted that he flatted with it early from the BTN.
Given that, the flop bet is too large. You will find out the exact same info with a bet around 5500-6200. It's possible he raises to some non all in amount, but that doesn't change the decision at all. It might actually make it easier.
Now though, we are stuck in a spot where we have to really ask ourselves what he would do this with. You stated AK, AQ, KQ. I don't think he ever has AK here. He is more likely to have AJ than AK. AQ and KQ are in his range, but if he shoves with those here, it's absolutely horrible.
I'm having a difficult time figuring out what I would do here. If we fold, we still have 30BB and aren't in immediate danger. I assume he will do this with hands that aren't the nuts as well. I honestly don't think he should ever be doing this with hands that are the “nuts”. I'm interested to see what others have to say before I make my decision.
March 26, 2013
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I agree with everything OneTime said about preflop and cbet sizing.
Postflop is tricky but there are a few things about villain that make me think he definitely does not have to be on a Q here. He could feasibly have the following range in my opinion; AQ, KQ, QQ (unlikely, but possible), AJ, KJ, KT, JJ, 88-TT (small possibility as he looks to overvalue weak hands and draws) plus maybe a few random bluffs.
He seems to be spewy, putting in big bets with medium strength hands fairly deep (TPTK, moderate A preflop etc). Looking at this purely on hands we beat and hands that crush us I think it is probably 55/45 that he has us crushed without factoring in that he should really call if he has a Q on that board. I doubt he is thinking enough to recognise the strength you have shown preflop and postflop so far so doubt he would shove to level you into thinking he has a draw / J here. I suspect there is a fair chance that he has exactly those hands but Q cannot be discounted.
Pot odds to call look in our favour here. By my reckoning after he shoves we have left ourselves 22,457 behind into a pot of 49,472 which means we only need 31% equity. I would imagine we easily have that against this guys range so I think I shrug and call it off given the read on this opponent.
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August 25, 2012
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Same as others have been saying, more or less – go a little bigger preflop, a little smaller on the flop, and please don’t fold to the shove.
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September 28, 2012
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A couple things here:
1. I disagree with OneTime in regards to villain shoving KQ/AQ being horrible. I think I call, but shoving isnt that suboptimal. The guy behind will only really chase hands that can hit a hand that beats us. Also with buttons stack there isnt much value in getting him to come along since the c bet is effectively his stack.
2. I also disagree with the thought that we have to snap call here. A lot of value in this hand should be coming from value betting not value calling. Certain villains just are not shoving here with worse.
3. Sizing pre is way to small. Especially OOP. It is not only telegraphing your hand but also allowing people to play rather optimal mutliway v you postflop. This is another reason why I think this isnt an insta bet/call. I would have to do the math but I assume he would need non Q around 30-35% of the time here to warrant a call, since we are probably in worse shape when behind then we are in great shape when ahead. Some people just dont have non Q that much.
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May 14, 2013
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I did fold this hand but I was thinking of it after during the tournament and finally bust on the following hand, 10 hands after AA. So I’m wondering if I should have taken the spot with AA…Anyway thanks for the very good advice on my sizing but regarding vilain profile, you can do what you want, he will call you! I hate that !
may be a little tilty because of this AA thinking. Here I should have just called and decided on the flop?
Poker Stars €4.50+€0.50 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t100 – 9 players – View hand 2402594
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
UTG: BB = 49.7, t39748
UTG+1: BB = 49.6, t39653
UTG+2: BB = 95.2, t76130
MP1: BB = 14.2, t11365
MP2: BB = 6.3, t5039
CO: BB = 58.5, t46821
BTN: BB = 19.8, t15879
SB: BB = 76.3, t61075
Hero (BB): BB = 24.4, t19532
Pre Flop: (t2100) Hero is BB with Q K
5 folds, CO calls t800, 1 fold, SB calls t400, Hero raises to t19432 all in, 1 fold, SB calls t18632
Flop: (t40564) A 2 T (2 players – 1 is all in)
Turn: (t40564) T (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t40564) 3 (2 players – 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t40564
SB shows Ah 6s (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Hero shows Qd Ks (a pair of Tens)
SB wins t40564
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December 6, 2012
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“I decided to CB and see if he plays a fit or fold.”
I don’t understand what this means. What was your value target?
“you can do what you want, he will call you! I hate that !”
You hate people calling you when you have AA?
With the KQ hand you posted, I’m sure that shove is +EV, my only question is whether there isn’t room to outplay your opponents even further with a smaller raise followed by post-flop play. I would probably make it 4000 and then go from there.
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September 28, 2012
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Ya not a fan of shoving 25 BBs over 2 limps. I would raise to 3.5-4x depending on villains tendencies to call, and play post flop. Sure shoving here is probably +EV(I would be shocked if it wasnt), but I just think you will find more value by raising and letting people play bad.
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May 14, 2013
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“I decided to CB and see if he plays a fit or fold.”
I don’t understand what this means. What was your value target?
you right I didn’t plan my hand!and thought process is very bad, never bet for information 🙂 and need to watch your vid again on value targetting.
“you can do what you want, he will call you! I hate that !”
You hate people calling you when you have AA?
it was not especially for AA but considering this type of vilain is the sizing important except to avoid 3-way? sized to get all your chip in by the river?
May 14, 2013
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Ya not a fan of shoving 25 BBs over 2 limps. I would raise to 3.5-4x depending on villains tendencies to call, and play post flop. Sure shoving here is probably +EV(I would be shocked if it wasnt), but I just think you will find more value by raising and letting people play bad.
one of the big concept I’m struggled with: playing under 30bb
you said Raise the limper, if one of vilain reraise what is your calling range?
I’m looking at working on that area of stacks, not pure push fold <15bb or big reshove at 25bb but trying to see what we can do else.
raise/fold; raise/call, 3-bet small light( is it still possible at these stacks?)
I'd like to see a dedicated vid on that concepts of constructing ranges for shallow stacks. can we have a raise/fold range at 14bb? a raise/call one instead of pushing 16bb, a 3-bet range at 26bb ect ect ect
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December 6, 2012
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lafauriea said:
“I decided to CB and see if he plays a fit or fold.”
I don't understand what this means. What was your value target?
you right I didn't plan my hand!and thought process is very bad, never bet for information 🙂 and need to watch your vid again on value targetting.
“you can do what you want, he will call you! I hate that !”You hate people calling you when you have AA?
it was not especially for AA but considering this type of vilain is the sizing important except to avoid 3-way? sized to get all your chip in by the river?
The sizing is important to get money into the pot when your hand is ahead of their calling ranges! If they call too much, only 3-bet with hands you believe will be ahead of their calling ranges, and raise as much as you think they'll call. Think about it, you're essentially saying “These guys never fold so I made a really small raise when I had the nuts…”
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