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May 30, 2012
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PokerStars - $30+$3|60/120 NL - Holdem - 9 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com UTG+1: 1,853.00 MP: 4,899.00 Hero (MP+1): 9,987.00 LP: 10,373.00 CO: 8,077.00 BTN: 2,415.00 SB: 14,293.00 BB: 14,464.00 UTG: 5,533.00 UTG+1 posts ante 15.00, MP posts ante 15.00, Hero posts ante 15.00, LP posts ante 15.00, CO posts ante 15.00, BTN posts ante 15.00, SB posts ante 15.00, BB posts ante 15.00, UTG posts ante 15.00, SB posts SB 60.00, BB posts BB 120.00 Pre Flop: (315.00) Hero has Qd Kh fold, fold, MP calls 120.00, Hero raises to 300.00, LP calls 300.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 180.00 Flop: (1215.00, 3 players) 4c Kd Qs MP checks, Hero bets 480.00, LP raises to 960.00, MP calls 960.00, Hero ????
villain is an unknown and only 2nd hand I am at the table, what are people doing v this retarded strong raise sizing?
any attempts at ranges for the raiser and overcaller?
July 13, 2012
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With top 2 on a rainbow flop I dont think there is any reason to put ranges on the vilains. The ony problem is what line to take in order to max our value. So I believe that raising to 2350 would be a good option to get value from KJ, KT, JT. If either vilain has 44 so be it…cooler for me.
Calling is an option to disguise somewhat our hand and get for sure out of the weaker range of the vilains, would hate A or 9 turn but is a risk that we could take in MTTs I think.
May 30, 2012
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kasspav said:
With top 2 on a rainbow flop I dont think there is any reason to put ranges on the vilains.
strongly disagree with that, and i dont understand what hands that are worse are minraising 3way
October 6, 2010
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This is such a weird hand. Given you are generally active your image will be loose so the original limper could have AK or AA and looking to trap you, but then after the over caller he would back raise these hands a lot I think. I am worried about the over caller tht then min raises. I guess he could have TJ sometimes but it certainly looks like 44 to me.
May 30, 2012
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Benny i dont have any image at all and no history with any villains as i just got moved to this table
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July 20, 2010
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i would make it 3k and never fold, im not a big fan of your sizing pre bb is 120 and you have ante in play and a limper and you make it 300$ i like more like 440$ but to me it looks like one player most likely the caller of 960$ is on a draw and the leader may be on 444 but im prolly never folding moving forward.
July 17, 2012
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Well we all know initial limper is terrible since hes limp/calling. Not worried about his range at all. Id say it consists of QJ,JT,KT,KJ,QT,AJ,22-99.
Other guy is clearly just mashing buttons his min raise doesnt worry me at all their is only one concievable hand he can have that beats us; 44 which is so rare. I def re re raize / happily get it in in this tournamwnt.
May 30, 2012
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yea not worried at all about the limper, but 44 is not super rare imo.
I raised to 3k and he clicked it back after limper folded.
June 2, 2012
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As played I think it looks like the early limper is on some sort of broadway draw (AJ A10 J10) or maybe a weaker Kx or Qx. The late position caller certainly could have 44 as thats the only hand that really makes sense unless he flatted KK or QQ which is unlikely, especially since you have blockers. I'm certainly not getting in 80+ BB's on this flop as I think we are almost always smashed if thats the case. If you decide to click it back here, assuming you are folding to a shove, why are you making it 3k? You get the same thing accomplished by making it 2600 IMO. If your plan is to fold after you click it back then I hate it. Flatting and re-evaluating the turn is a good play IMO. We are so deep here that it just doesn't make much sense getting it in here unless villains are capable of super spewing to us with a worse K. There aren't many draws and 2 pair combos other than KQ are certainly out of the question. I guess theres a good chance you share the same hand as the LP player.
May 30, 2012
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im not raise/folding, when i made it 3k its not to then fold. its raise/gii reluctantly.
I really dont know what to do in this hand, whats the % chance or an unknown just tooling out with something worse? has to be some combos of K4 and Q4 and J10 etc in his range (maybe not all the time but over the scope of an unknown at this buy in its not unfounded.
basically can i ever bet/fold this flop?
Also think that flat calling makes sense here. If he's on 2 pair with K4 and Q4 he's dominated anyway, so it's more likely that your hand will improve than his, and if a K or Q hits the turn/river you have him (judging by his line so far you can get all the chips in the middle by the river anyway).
44 or slow-played AA is quite possible imho…
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